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Highlights from this episode include:

  • The Collusion method for helping others determine their life’s purpose (15:21)
  • How to maximize your salary even if you work in the educational bureaucracy (21:11)
  • The “Specific Skills Criteria” you must consider when choosing a college and major (22:49)
  • Why the Reagan Model of education will no longer help you achieve your goals and what to do instead (26:03)
  • The surprising reason that learning prevents career advancement (26:59)
  • Why “soft skills” hold the key to motivating your children effectively (29:23)

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Do you hate the thought of working past 55 or 60? Do you hate not being able to live the life you deserve today? Do you hate not knowing what your financial future looks like? It's time to stop doing what you hate, here's your host, Mr. Harold Green.

(00:20): Hi everybody. This is Harold Green and it is time to stop doing what You hate. Well, you are having a great day. I'm having a great day. Things have been very busy for me. There's a lot going on in the company. We are revamping our college funding services. We're working on a nationwide marketing system, so there's just a whole lot going on, but I'm super excited because today I get to have on the show and welcome to the show. One of my most beloved and favorite people in the world for our successful professional series. And let me explain to you guys what that is. Basically what I do is I interview successful people in their field just to give kids an idea of what's out there and what they would have to do if they want to get into that profession. Because so many people out there, they don't know what they want to do with their lives. And as a matter of fact, the roughly 80% of the people who are employed right now kind of hate their jobs. And so we want the kids to get into careers that they love, where they can make an impact and society. And so with that and no further ado, please welcome my friend, my brother from another mother, mr. Larry Andres. Welcome for the Larry.

(01:54): Well, thank you, Harold, for such a distinguished introduction. I'm very humbled this morning to be in your presence. How are you doing all of our audience? Doing good, doing good. As you can see my backdrop today is the mountain. So I just going to say my attitude we'll get to that altitude on the top of the mountain. So I'm ready for our discussion today as parents,

(02:16): Right? Because attitude determines altitude, right? And I used to be an air traffic controller and there's something called AOA angle of attack or the attitude of a plane. And when you have a positive attitude, that means the planes nose is pointed up. And when you have a negative attitude, it means the planes nose is pointed down. And so Larry is, Larry is always a very positive guy. You don't drink coffee, right? No,

(02:47): I'm natural.

(02:49): Larry does not drink coffee, but he's always high. He's high on life and a Solera. I just want to thank you for, Oh man, I've known you for like some years now. And you know, Larry is kind of like my sounding board. He's my iron sharpens iron type of dude. And so Larry man, welcome to the show. I want you to start off by telling people who you are and exactly what it is that you do right now,

(03:15): Basically. Just like compliments to Harold is sad. First of all, I just want to say I have, is given this opportunity to work alongside an individual who loves to help people and that's Harold Green. And he helped my family and I would my daughter and my son not to digress, but I'm a product of his, his services and the company. I'm Larry Andrews. I heal from the beautiful garden of Eden in the North shore and born and raised as a M Y Lewin and then was able to go to school on the mainland for my graduate studies. And then eventually ended up working in first a church. And then I moved into the state for the next 34 years working as a kindergarten teacher with Ilocano speaking children or Filipino children to working at the high schools at McKinley and Y pong high school, and then moving on to Leeward community college for 22 years. And then my last five, six years here is at the university of Hawaii West Oahu in which I'm probably wearing the shirt that bears the university of Hawaii West wahoo. And in a nutshell, that's my academic career and background. And I'm just ready to share with you folks. And I know you've got a lot of questions and Harold and I are ready to rock and roll here.

(04:41): All right, man. You ready to rock? So my favorite phrase is you guys ready for this one, two, three? Let's get it. Let's get it. One thing Larry about you that I did not know was that you are an elementary school teacher.

(04:56): Yes I do. So I covered the basis kindergarten to university. So that's my plethora of experiences if mic.

(05:07): Yeah. So Larry guys, Larry, it was fun. Ladies and gentlemen, Larry has a very diverse background. So I met Larry some years ago at a college funding dinner workshop that I was putting on. And I've got a funny story to tell you about the guy. When I was doing the presentation, I saw this guy out of the corner of my eye and I don't even know if he was on the reservation. I think he came as a guest of one of the attendees. And so all throughout the event, I was like trying my best to give the presentation, but here's this guy we're there, he's talking, he's making faces. And I wanted to go in and say like, dude, can you like, can you shut up or, or leave?

(05:54): And in my mind, I was like, it's like, God, I hope he doesn't ask to schedule a meeting. I hope he doesn't ask to schedule a meeting. And and then after they've been, I went over it and and I, and I met him and his wife and, and shook his hand and hand. And he, he sure enough, he, he asked for an appointment, but you know what I found, I found him that day to be, you know, one of the nicest caring people that I've ever met. And so sometimes don't let first impressions fool you. So he made an appointment with him and his wife. They came in, they brought their kids in and you know, I just, you know, I love him like my own brother and and I'm excited to have him on our team. And so I brought Larry on a while back as our college coach, academic coach to help students figure out how to transition from high school, into the next phase of their life, which is college. And so with that being said, Larry, tell me about your profession as a, I don't even know what your title is. Is it a coordinator transfer coordinator?

(07:02): Because those tests success used to be academic advisors. Now the word is success advisors at the community college we're consulars. So it's just helping people.

(07:17): We're going to get into the three phases of your career. Number one, talk to the families out there in regards to how you can become a success advisor or what route of education did you need in order to, to become that. And then I want you to talk to everybody as to why you decided to go this route in the first place.

(07:38): Yeah, that's an excellent question. Heraldo and, and Harold him, I love him cause he asked good questions. So kind of like you know, when he said he saw me in the corner of the eye, I was like, Oh, who's this guy going to tell us what? And later did, I know that Harold has a wealth of knowledge, so how to be a success advisor or in what people would say a regular consular. So when I was with the DOE the department of education, I was at YPO McKinney high school first for about a year and then five years at YPO high school. So the necessary credentials is basically a bachelor's degree and the high school has required a master's in either education or a master's in cost and psychology, but I had a different master's degree. So I went to theological school and I came up with a master's in theology and actually went, let's just start a clinical psych program, a PhD program, but personal things happening. So I dropped out. So where'd

(08:43): You go to college for your

(08:46): Bachelor's? My bachelor's degree, I went to the university of Hawaii Manoa. Yeah. So I let her depth to a bachelor's a master's and I didn't complete my doctorate, but to get into this field right now is predominantly in the elementary and the high school as a consular elementary cost or a school cost center, or a high school cost is a master's degree in education or a costing psychology. And I was fortunate to get into a related field that dealt with people. If you have a doctorate degree at the elementary or the high school, the pay scale is going to be the same, just to be straight with you, but not the knowledge and wealth that you bring into the school is priming you for an administrator because it gets you to a point where you can start talking policy and you can start implementing programs that would really be of service to the elementary school students, the high school students.

(09:41): And in my position, I was fortunate to get in. And we worked, I worked my way up this tenure process at the college, and it's just basically a process to be permanent. And I was given these titles called I worked my way up to an associate professor at community college. And then when I switched over to the university of Hawaii West Oahu, I did not have a PhD. So therefore I was more of a support staff as an advisor first and academic advisor, then everybody's started changing their names. Like remember the days when a person was a sales square and they became a sales associate technician, giving them the fancy words, how we success advisors. So we have a person who's a success advisor with a bachelor's degree. And we have in my team, we have six advisors and then we have three with their doctorates or one is going for their doctorate to finish it.

(10:37): And then another one with a master's. So three doctorates, two master's and one bachelor's degree. And you want to say like, what's the highlight of being a success advisor? Harold mentioned, he was the FFA controller would guide the plane safely to land, or what runway do you would have to take I'm similar to that, but I'm more one-to-one or if we have groups, meaning about one to three to five people or sometimes 20. So we would guide them with information, information that would help them to go to their exact career or options in their careers. But as Harold and I worked together for many years, our motto was career plus major equals college. So, so that's a different mindset there. The traditional costs would go, Oh, what college do you want to go to? So this is the major. This is your career of Harold and I are specifically on the return of investment philosophy that your time is to be well-spent.

(11:42): And then the money is to be well spent and equals the return of investment or a positive outcome. So our jobs as success advisors is looking at the student's values, personality and skills, and what do they want to do? And like the health field, if they want to become a doctor, then they can become a physician's assistant or they can become even the ambulance driver or a technician. So everything contributes big or small to the health industry. Then eventually we can choose their college, which whoever it can be a community college or it can be major university. And so we want to make sure that you families spend your money and your money wisely and their child or students spend their time very wise.

(12:25): That's some very important stuff you're saying there. And I'm all about doing what you love and not what you take. And Larry, I, I see that you, you love doing what you do. I mean, you don't just like, do what you do. You do it with like an aggression or like with a passion with the emphasis. You don't just show up like with a sandwich for lunch and you bring like a five course meal. I mean, you just roll at it. I mean, this is like, this is how I, I, I, I know you, and so tell people why you love to do what you do.

(13:05): That's a, that's an excellent question, Harold. And by the way, yeah, we still have to do a five course dinner. Okay. So with that

(13:13): First,

(13:16): First things first, why do I do what I do is because of my background, growing up in a small country place called Waialua where people would stay right now altogether, you can see where is that? So a small tight-knit community allows people to connect with people. Everybody knows everybody's business in Waialua, who's going to where who's going to marry. So-And-So who divorced, who's buying. What, where are you going to live? And I grew up with that, with that, with that very tight connection. So then it helped me be tight with people. And then my mother allowed us to go to church and church in, in general, what our share is that church provided some really neat activities, internal and external. So as a young teenager I got to with a youth person and working with the YMC, I got to shoot pool, play basketball, did all kinds of activities in the, in the city where they would take us in a van to go to a movie, go to like per Ridge. And you can go to eating places cause Wailua did not have a McDonald's back in the seventies, sixties, seventies, and eighties. So that's how backwards we were

(14:28): Now though. Yeah, we have

(14:29): One now, but that, that came up in the 21st century Harold. So what happened is my people connection drives me. And I think there was some reverse psychology too, is that I did have some bad experiences with my high school counselor and the college counselor, because I could have been a really good military person because they told me what to do. They did not ask me what I thought, what I was dreaming about, what were my desires? What if questions? And so the why becomes me now, as I connect with people is I let them share their dreams, their stories. And so in a nutshell, I have a collusion. I collide with them, with their stories. I feel with them, I walk with them and the Indian has something that says walk in their moccasins. And so I've been trying to do that and trying to understand that not perfect, but it's a good goal to pursue is to be with someone every day where they're coming from culturally, spiritually, emotionally, mentally, academically, and it's more of a holistic approach.

(15:39): And I believe I've been striving for that and have accomplished parts of that. I'm still a work in progress, but that's what drives me. And I'm also a faith in God, because I liked that aspect of how to treat people and how I've been treated. I've been treated unfairly, but I've learned to forgive and that's a hard part, but you have to have an internal concept to express your external services, as well as who you are as a person, because people can read you in advising. They can tell you if you're depressed or if you're a grouchy kind of person, or if you're a live wire like me, sometimes I have to tone it down because I, I might scare some people. Right?

(16:25): Yeah. Sometimes you are a little bit over the top. I think I remember when I first started, like we started working together and Larry would come in and meet with families and the next office over and I would already be in a meeting and becomes in at like seven 30, eight o'clock in the morning, he's whistling and he's humming. And I'm like, bro, I have a meeting going on. I'll be here. And you got to like tone that down, but he is very mindfully. And so thank you, Larry. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you very much for fencing that the next thing I want to talk about is I want to talk about the digits and the dollars, right? And so I don't want you to like tell people what you make exactly. But I want you to kind of answer for me. What is the income range of success advisors at the college level, starting from like, say the beginning of your tenure at the beginning of your, you know, your, your journey, where's the end. So give me a lower end and the top end, because although you love doing what you do, you won't do it for free, right? Exactly. Exactly.

(17:37): No, I I have to pay the bills. So a good, a starting range now for the CCS. They start at least like school teachers, like either a 45, a minimal 50 to as much as six figures, a hundred thousand. Wow. Some people, their, their range can be, they can work for up to, I've had some concerts at Leeward that worked for 40 years and I know they were making six digits, but if you really take a look at it, comparatively, meaning engineers, they can start off at 50, 60,000 and then work their way up to the six digits, no time. Whereas people in business and accounting, especially software engineers, and that kind of feels a nurses, both Harrell. And I know, so the range again is 40, 45 50 to about a hundred thousand. I don't think more people make over a hundred thousand. There's a few that are in that bracket, but it's a comfortable living in Hawaii depending on your, your tastes of the lifestyle, whether you like champagne or I like water or in-between I get an occasional Gatorade or soda. Yeah.

(18:57): So basically what you're saying is starting out, you're at about 50,000 a year and then to get to a hundred thousand, like how long would it take someone say they're 25, they got their masters and then maybe they get their PhD. Well, they start at like 45,000 with a PhD.

(19:13): No, I think it might go slightly higher maybe. As you well know, state while the state condition is pretty bad right now, but if the state pre COVID pre COVID state workers starting off with PhDs, I would say a slightly higher range because of your educational experience. And that on top of your degree at the college, the university especially would definitely put you a little higher. Some people, your question was, how long will it take for a 25 year old? I can say that that person will take about 25 years.

(19:55): Wow. So this is not a job that you get into, like to start making money like right out the gate, right?

(20:02): No. The word is state private, private might be a little different, right? Howard

(20:10): You're in a state ran system, basically the state of boy gives them money and they fund the college and universities. And so they've been hurting for a while, but let's say you were at st. Penn state or Ohio state or a Yale or an MIT. What would you suspect that those success, you know, coaches or counselors would make?

(20:37): Yeah, I I'm, I'm reading an article and a full-blown professors at certain schools that you've mentioned Penn state to the Ivy leagues and to a tier one schools, 150,000, 200 to 200,000,

(20:53): 150,000. It's 200,000. And so kids that are out there listening, and you're looking at becoming a counselor or working as a professor, you got to shoot for the top in order to make the dollars or else, you know, it'll take you a while to build up momentum and your income, but you you'd be doing what you love. And so sometimes doing what you love doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be making a ton of money, but if it works out for your family dynamic and say, your spouse has a higher paying job, which will afford you that opportunity to, to do something hands-on with students and kids that you love, then, you know, by all means, go for it. And Solera, I want to thank you for sharing that bit for me. And so now I'm kind of getting into the industry and then self of colleges and where things are going. Can you tell the listeners one of the biggest changes you've seen in college today, post COVID

(21:52): Excellent question, Harold, you know, being in a cost or a success advisor for now, I'm going on my 34th, year, 30, 34 years. And I'm speaking from this level at the university level, where are people going? And I'll just be very candid about this. I'm looking at college for not the sake of college. I'm looking at now college as a means to open the door for you. But where does that educational institution give you specific work skills and the work skills? Now there were talks about in this I subscribed to the student called Cora and it was talking about, let's say software engineers or anybody in that, in the computer area where a student can just get a CC degree. I mean, a associate in science degree and information, computer science, get a few certifications again. The highest one is, I think is this C I S S B if I'm wrong, but guaranteed, this guy from the army told me that you, you get a hundred thousand.

(23:07): So my door. Yeah. And versus someone that will have a bachelor's that went to Stanford and majored in classical music. So Harold and I talk about this, about how your major actually with skills can actually take that attitude that gives you the altitude, because you have to look at the trends in the work industry. So in a nutshell, I would say now is look at the industry and look at where possibly, if you're going to go into psychology, you know that you have to go for the PhD racial stuff for the PhD, because Astro's in and as a bachelor's in sociology, my first actual job Harrell, I don't know if you know, this is Diggy without even trying. I'm not bragging. I wasn't the best student. I was a 2.8 student that's that's under a beat as a C plus student. I wasn't going to work at launch drugs, Mililani London through my mother and father who paid for my education. Wow. But because I was I had a skill, I could speak ill. O'connell about 80% fluid and get away with it. I was hired with a deal II to teach kindergarten students, English and El O'Connell students. So I got hired by skills.

(24:34): I explained to people at [inaudible] we have, we have listeners all over the country.

(24:39): Yeah. Sorry. The Lakanto is a Philippine dialect in the Philippines. So ill economy is one of the 66 dialects from the Philippine language, 66, about 66 dialects. So because my mother and father were from the Philippines and my dad spoke that dialect. I was hired by the department of education to teach a class of about 15 students, about boys and girls who are kindergarteners. And that skillset allowed me to get a job. So in today's society, a post COVID, most of I see the job trends going towards working at home, or being able to be skillful in nursing, the health field in the business field with accounting and finance and Otter above management. But there's other areas where you could diversify to become an entrepreneur, as well as in the field of computers, with software engineering and doing work from home. Like I just had a student that's going to be making some money, doing some design on his software with 3d and then carving out some wood products.

(25:49): So sometimes now it's a change from just saying, go get a degree. You're going to get a job that was post Reagan, Reagan days, Kennedy days, you know, everybody had a degree, could move up in the government, could move up here and there. But I think right now our industry is specifically driven. If you have a certain skill set information, giving a, you have a skillset in engineering, even engineering is kind of like getting a little bit more specific and you might have to double in engineering and computers with electrical, but there's a lot of things that skills will provide opportunities.

(26:27): Yeah. I, I heard something the other day, a phrase that said we have to accelerate the path from learning to earning because so many people are stuck in the learning phase and they're spending so much money on the learning phase. They don't develop the skills they need to start doing the earning and corporations are having a hard time filling jobs, even in this COVID situation of highly skilled workers. And so they're coming out with programs across the United States that they Toyota had created a program where it's still workers. And so now they're spreading that across the country where it's a 21 month program and you go in and you learn all this. It's like a bootcamp, right, exactly. One month, you know, a year and a half or so, you're going through an intensive bootcamp program and you're working and you're earning and learning at the same time.

(27:17): And then I think they, they come out and making like the a hundred thousand dollars a year plus or something like that. So last thing I have to ask of you is there's parents out there who have kids that need guidance and there's parents out there of kids who need motivation. We can provide guidance all day, but motivation is not something like gas in the tank where we, you pull up to the gas station, you fill up with motivation. So if you have parents out there with students that are just not motivated, what can you say to them to help get their students pointed in the right direction?

(28:01): Well, you know, Heraldo assets, that's a tough and a loaded question. My brother very loaded and Harold is right. With bright tree financial, we provided guidance in a positive ways and we could hammer the word guidance to become etched in stone. And motivation is from what I heard is something that is not taught, but it's caught. So first of all, I think I'm going to take a very rudimentary response to that question of more, how do you get motivation? And first of all, is students are always watching their significant other's parents or their basically non fragmented non-traditional families today. So whoever inspires them with kind words, kind of body language actions, rather than always being like, you gotta do this. I think significant other parents speaking to you as well as myself, is that we've got to learn how to clinic and not meaning that you have to speak the lingo they speaking, but I'm talking about soft skills, soft skills that are basically human connection, like listening to them, actively listening, affirming them and speaking to truth, when they're going in a wrong direction and saying, Hey, I care about you, but you're barking up the wrong tree.

(29:34): And if they see their care and that love the motivation comes and because they're reciprocate and they're going to see mom, dad, or so-and-so, what do you think about this? Because we, as parents have become the generals, you do this or else you're living in the whole house, you're eating my food, you're driving. My I'm paying your car insurance. You know, we have to take a different approach. And some of you may accuse me of being a softie, but Hey, water is soft, but it runs down the rock. You know, water keeps trickling over that rock. That rock is going to erode. So picture your heart as that rock. And you keep giving kindness. Kindness is going to wear that rock, that stoned hard pool rock down of a heart. And so parents, the guidance is, is open communication just, and also doing things with them, which they like to do.

(30:34): I mean, I, I'm not talking to my son about computers is not a first interest, but I'm asking him questions and I go out, Oh, well this is post COVID, but hopefully post school, we can go out for a walk in the country, will diving go ride your quads, your motorcycle, go eat a nice steak together or grill steaks, or even with a family. I think it's not only one person, but it's includes being inclusive and exclusive with the family, as well as with friends or people that you trust. And motivation is always, I think, a lifetime learning. Yeah, it's, it's caught and it can be taught, but it's more caught by how people perform, how people act and how people do do things with you and for you,

(31:27): The best motivating factor for kids these days is the time you spend with them. And they pick up on that. It excites them. It makes them feel good and boost their confidence and then competence will lead to motivation. And so they'll want to do more. They'll want to do better. They'll want to achieve, they'll want to strive. And so Larry, I want to thank you today for being on the show. Kudos to you, man. Thank you very much. This was fun, everybody. I just want to say again, thank you to Larry. He's, he's been a very big inspiration and a lot of things that I do. He's done some great work here with our families and that's basically it for our successful professional series. If you guys have any questions for me or any, you need any follow-up you can give me a call (808) 521-4401. Or you can go to my website, retire now with retire, wild.com and just check out some of the things that we have on the side. So again, Larry, it's been great. And I want to say thank you very much. And then, so the next time everybody one, two, three less, get it.

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