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In this episode, you’ll learn…

  • Why failing is the best way to succeed (3:04)
  • How to build an inseparable bond with your kids — no matter how bad you’ve screwed up (11:59)
  • The trick to stop your children from going down a path to destruction (12:35)
  • How you’re accidentally riddling your body with anxiety and worry (18:17)
  • How arrogance can be a leader’s your secret weapon (31:18)

To connect with Jerry Beerman and learn how he can help you grow your faith as well as be intentional with your employees, email him at jerry.beerman@alluringglass.com.  Also, if you are interested in the daily PSP mentioned in this episode text ‘ConduitJesus’ to 555-888.

Are you crushing it at work but struggling at home? If you want to learn how to win at home, then go to https://CoryMCarlson.com and download your free copy of “10 Ways To Win At Home.”

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Welcome to the win at home first podcast. I'm your host, Corey Carlson. This podcast is where we talk about how successful business leaders win, not only at work, but also at home. On this podcast, we will go behind the scenes with great leaders to hear stories of how they win. Thank you for listening and on to today's episode.

Hello, this is Corey Carlson. I'm excited to bring you another interview today. This one is with Jerry Beerman. He's a friend, but he's also a significant connector from owning a business, but also always looking to bring leaders together, to create a tribe and share best practices and make each other better. We talk about a lot of neat subjects during this episode. One is how he took his family failures and pivoted. And now that he is winning at home, and first talked about the importance of having transparent conversations with those that you lead. Talk about being intentional with your staff and investing in them. We also talked about the importance of leaving a legacy, a lot of good stuff here. I look forward to you hearing it as well. Enjoy. Thank you. Hello, this Corey Carlson. You're listening to win at home first podcast today. I'm joined by a good friend of mine, Jerry

(01:17): Beerman and just been fun to learn more about him over the years from the standpoint of a tennis athlete throughout high school and college, and then just an entrepreneur at heart started two different nonprofits. He started his company that he runs right now called the luring glass about 12 and a half years ago. It's a boutique custom shower, glass and mirror business. And then about six years ago, he launched conduit, which is a tribe of leaders in the Cincinnati Metro area that kind of worked together through round tables or coaching sessions to get better. And he's married. He has four kids and just been a fun leader in this community. And one that I've learned a lot from. So Jerry, thank you very much for joining me today. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. It's awesome to have you here. So before we dive in, what have you found in your own life to be that most important leadership trait required to win both at home and at work? That's good. Well, you do you mean you're a young man still, so I'll be 50. I'll be 54 and gosh, time flies. Do you remember the cartoon character, mr. Magoo?

(02:27): So it's for, so for the older listeners, or if you Google mr. Magoo, he was just this old fat guy that just couldn't see very well. And he just kind of stumbled around through life and things happened to him. And in many ways I relate very well to mr. Magoo is that, you know, if you're, if you're just kinda moving through life and maybe that's one of the pieces is like movement, like action, create some kind of result. And then how do you respond and react to those results? So through many failure, and I

(03:00): Was sharing with you offline about this and reading your book, you know, winning at home first, I was thinking, gosh, my book would be called losing it, losing at home first. So you can learn to win because each of my, each of the things that I might be doing well today is predicated by something I did bad that prompted some kind of change. So one of the leadership skills that I think I've learned through my failures is to listen. And so, gosh, so many examples of this Cory, but you know, just listening and being present. One of my good friends, Dave King, who passed away unexpectedly last October, used to teach me and remind me to be, have a non anxious presence chair to be present. So from a leadership standpoint, to make sure that I have capacity Cory to be present and listen

(03:58): A lot of good stuff there, you know, movement losing it home first is how you learn to start winning. Listen in that non anxious presence all really good. And I too, I love that idea of movement. I have seen so many individuals where they're consuming information, but never implementing. And I think part of what you're talking about is that movement is, Hey, you're headed towards your target bullseye, but you may be off a little bit, one degree here or there. And it's that idea of calibrating, but if you're not moving, then nothing's happening. And I love that idea that it's a lot easier to steer a train that's moving, but yet there's no steering if it's not moving. So it's a lot about what you're talking about. The other thing you mentioned, Jerry, that I liked a lot was this idea of, unfortunately some of your winning at home is because

(04:48): You lost at first and yeah,

(04:50): There's listeners here that are business owners like yourself, or they're just leaders at some capacity in their work. What are some kind of lessons that you did learn from? Like where were you losing that would be applicable.

(05:02): You wish you would have pivoted sooner. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Being married. I actually worked in a church in the vineyard church, my ex wife, my wife at the time now she's my ex wife had some anxiety issues, long stories that led to some poor choices and some addictions and just kept spiraling. And so one of the things I, you know, being a control freak and watching my wife go through some anger bits of anxiety, and now it seems like half the world struggles with anxiety, but at the time I was just like, I didn't understand it. And that my, my idea was just, you know, suck it up, stop it you're being dramatic. And so we had four young kids at the time and I just didn't, I just didn't relate to it. You know, I was raised in old German family that we just, you know, we just sucked it up.

(05:52): We just fought through, we just soldiered through. And so when my wife was going through those challenges, I think I just, I wasn't present. I wasn't a good husband and I just, it just kept spiraling out. It just was getting worse and worse and worse out of control, which ended up leading to a divorce. I ended up being a single dad. I was joking with you offline 38 year old single dad with four kids, you know, I was a hot commodity. And so I've got four kids relocated to Fort Thomas started playing a zone right with these kids. Cause they, they, I needed them to be able to walk to school. And then I met my wife. Who'd never been there, no kids,

(06:34): Which is a whole nother podcast. I want to thank you for listening to my podcast. When at home first I am so grateful to hear from listeners like you, that this content has been helpful. So now I would love for you to pay it forward. I want to get this message in the hands of more listeners. We need leaders to be winning both at home and at work, especially during this time. So please take a minute to share this episode with somebody you think would find value in it, as well as rate and subscribe as a thank you, please visit my website@coriumcarlson.com to download a free resource that people are finding value in. Thank you very much.

(07:17): Forced me to create some boundaries that proved to be very healthy. And I appreciate one of the things that you say in your book is about creating date nights. Well, you know, you can imagine my youngest at the time was three or four and my oldest was like 12 or 13. So I immediately recognized I got to create some boundaries. So one of the first things I did with my wife is we have a date night every Wednesday and Saturday, like religiously, whatever that word means to you. Like we're going out to dinner every Wednesday and every Saturday we're leaving the house. And then every quarter we would go to Lexington for a night or Louisville or Indianapolis or Columbus and just get a night away, you know, maybe a three day weekend. That was a rhythm, you know, that every quarter. And then I was concerned about my daughter.

(08:07): So I started a daughter date night on Monday nights, which we did every single Monday night. My boys were involved in athletics. So I felt like they got enough dad time with me. So I started creating these boundaries with my family, with my new family, that my youngest daughter now is 19. She'll be 20 in a few months. And I still do those today. I still have Monday night date night when my daughters are in town, my wife and I still have Wednesday and sat, even though we're empty nesters, like these rhythms that we started dying to were really, really important. That's awesome. I love that. One thing I didn't know about your story that is similar to mine, except I was a child than it is my dad and my mom, my mom passed away. And so my dad at 40 was single

(08:56): With three kids and then ended up marrying who is my step mom who had no kids. So you were basically, you know, that that's my dad in that story as far as that's awesome. So I look up to my dad so much just because he was able to do all that. And us three kids remain tight through, through all of it. And it's so pretty cool. That's really neat.

(09:19): And he did that. It's tough. And then Ray, and then being working in the church, which was weird and then getting out of the church. But while I was still in the church and, or phasing out of the church, my oldest son, I guess I was out of the church by then, my oldest son had his freshman year in college, he had some cancer. And so then that adversity led to him and I having a little different relationship, him pursuing the Lord much more. As you can imagine, when the C word comes up. My second son Tucker got a DUI like his junior year in high school, we lived in Fort Thomas. It was incredibly embarrassing that led to a very intense conversation with my son that lasted for a few more years, you know, where I was trying to communicate to my son, that there's nothing he can do that would change my love for him.

(10:15): And yet I'm terribly disappointed in him. And so going through my son, my son that went through a DUI, like navigating that with him. So again, more failure in the home that then resulted in a different relationship with him and I, that ended up him pursuing the Lord and, and getting his degree and finding his wife and having their first child. And so his life is the, is totally changed. My oldest daughter ended up at Christ hospital after a concert before the concert cause she ODed on alcohol. So my wife and I are in a children's hospital and my daughter's a junior in high school and we're looking at her and I actually took a video of her when I knew that she was going to be okay. I want to make sure that I captured the embarrassment or, and then I took her to Jake's ranch.

(11:04): She calls it Jesus camp, where she was like the furthest thing from Jesus, but I thought I'm going to get her an influx of Jesus for a week. And so that failure in my parenting of her and her choices led me to JH ranch. She ended up giving her life to the Lord and now she's living for the Lord. And then my youngest daughter, Ellie, who had some and still does have some battles with anxiety and is going on a college trip with her and dealing with her anxiety for multiple days. And so just failure, like family failures that forces you to like pivot, certainly from a person of faith is really to really call on the Lord and and then see some of those transformations take place. Right.

(11:54): Well, thanks for sharing all that and getting vulnerable and honest with it. You know, some of those pieces that you mentioned, whether it's a DUI or it may be that, you know, in the ODI before a concert, obviously that that's the, the end wound. If you will, if you go further upstream and you, your parenting, cause you, you said a lot of it was your loss of parenting. What would you have done differently or what would be your recommendations to all of us listening? So we don't go down that.

(12:25): Yeah, no, that's a great, that's a great question to have transparent conversations with your kids, right? One-On-One to say, Hey, what are you worried about? What do you fear? So if you talk to my son Tucker today and say, Hey, why did you make those choices? Or my daughter, they would, they would talk about their identity. So I would have, I would have spent much more time talking about their identity that could lead them to paths of destruction. Thank God it hasn't been life-threatening or maybe it wasn't life threatening, but God spared them. But you know, is that your identity when you're, when you're wearing a mask, which we all have experienced different well, different seasons in your life where you put a mask on, right. Corey with your kids is they're wearing a mask to get the mask down. What I would have done differently is talked to my kids about identity vulnerabilities concerns.

(13:18): My, my daughter, Molly was always so compliant that I never worried about her. And then all of a sudden I woke up one day and the wheels fell off. So she was like the compliant, you know, always easy going, never made much of a, of a, of a ruckus. And so I was kinda, it was kinda out of sight out of mind, not that I didn't love her or care about her, but some other guys like Tucker was taking a lot of my attention or work. Right. My work was taking a lot of, I talked to you again about this, the business that I launched a dozen years ago or so became my God, right. It was sitting on top of me and I was serving it and it wasn't serving me. And so I think just the consumption, you know, seven days a week being consumed about trying to build this in justifying, maybe arguably that if I don't make this business go, my family is going to be in financial hardship. And so, you know, there's seasons of your life where you just don't have capacity. And I think I lived through some of those. So what would I do differently? I would have carved out that time to have more transparent conversations with my kids. That's right.

(14:26): Good. That intentional conversations. I love that we had heard one time, Holly and Ireland on our marriage that you as parents always want to be the source

(14:39): For truth. And yeah,

(14:41): We heard that and we agreed to it that night. I mean, not knowing any different. So we're just kind of naive to say, well, let's just, anytime they ask a question, we're telling the answer and we did. And I am so glad we did just that because I mean, just some more mature conversations in our house than I ever thought we would have signed up four, but yet they come to us now, because especially now in this era, if, as a parent, if we're not giving them the right answer, they're going to know it and then just go Google it or go ask a friend and find out I'm not asking my parents. They never tell me the truth. They give me the, the right Christian answer or they are very protected whatever it could be. Us, man. We, I am for that mentor. I don't even know who it was.

(15:30): I can't remember it, but I'm grateful for this statement. That always be your kid's source of truth. Yeah. And very grateful. So it sounds like that's what you wish you would have heard early on for sure. And I, and I really appreciate that in your book, you share in that story, which is hilarious. How you're you, I think it's Kylie, you shared the birds and the bees that led to all kinds of conversations. And I think part of that story that resonates with me is that like you were present, like is, as you tell the story about coming in from work and having your, your sport coat over your shoulder, and then your daughter asking you a question and you had the capacity to answer it, go about your vasectomy and stuff. And so, which is really funny, but I think the message behind there is like, you never know when the time is going to be right for them.

(16:20): And it's typically not the best time for you. You have a decision to make whether you're going to be available or not. Yep. That's spot on. I mean, it's just, yeah. Always be prepared to talk to them. And it's, that's the hardest part because we're not going back to something else you mentioned about getting your earlier part of your life control was an issue when I'm working with clients now time and time again, control is the issue is the root. They don't delegate because they don't trust the people that will get the job. Therefore it's control. Maybe they've showing other kids from you know, or whatever it may be or controlling have a spouse. How have you grown in your control? Well, you know, for me, I don't know that it's, Oh gosh, it's being aware of it, being aware of indicators when I am being more controlling. So I am certainly in process with this Corey, you know, when I start to feel anxiety about something and, and I, again, I appreciate something that you said on the PSP and one of your podcasts about solitude, like, you know, the, the, the, the self, like, I know that solitude's important and, and I appreciate your reminder, but until I actually go do it, which I can feel myself getting anxious about certain situations. And so, you know, my, some of my indicators anxiousness,

(17:51): Which leads to consumption with my mind, right. I start to fixate on it and worry about it. And then to have the discipline to say, okay, Jerry, this is right. This is where you're living out your faith. Like I knew the right answers, but to actually live it out and go to the Lord and say, Hey Lord, please take this from me. This is actually out of my control. And I think that's one of the pieces that creates anxiety for people like myself, is when I try to control things that are out of my control. And so a good example of that might be last night. It was an example of, I went to bed before my daughters or our home for the summer. And I have a very difficult time falling asleep when my daughters or in the house, excuse me, I know they're coming home, but I go to bed before they do.

(18:41): I start to develop anxiety. So I typically pray and say, Hey Lord, I just asked you to protect my daughters. Like I can't, because if I try to control it with my mind, I just end up in this anxiety, right? You just start getting yourself worked up into a lather of fear and worry and concern versus the right thing to do is to check in on them, say, Hey, what's your ETA? And then just to pray, Lord, just protect, ask you to protect my daughters. And so that's a, you know, that's a very tactical thing that I still try to do because Corey, I still have the propensity of trying to control things. Very interesting. And what as just listen to you talk was interesting as you're here

(19:25): Handling control now through prayer,

(19:28): But when you have the control issues, you were in ministry.

(19:32): So it's kind of like, weren't you praying then? So it's, it's really, it's the whole head to heart where we know to pray. It's head. We have that head knowledge, Hey, we knew,

(19:41): We know we got to pray, but do you actually have

(19:44): Awareness? And you shifted it down to your heart.

(19:47): Hey, left to my own devices. I'm controlling my life,

(19:51): Family, my marriage, my business, I'm controlling everything. And you mentioned work became an idol, but when you just handed it all over to God to say, I'm actually

(20:00): I'm praying because I can't do it on my own. I can't control

(20:04): Well, my kids, when they're not in my house, I can't control my business

(20:06): Because I don't know how it's going to go. Yeah. So that's pretty awesome. Well, and leaders, leaders have, you know, it's, it's very difficult as a leader. It's very difficult to give up control. So, you know, I, I know the right thing to do is to say, Hey, I want, I want, I want the Lord to be the CEO of learning glass. Like, that's the right thing to say. I have responsibilities that I'm still carrying out on a daily basis. And so it is this weird, like give up control, but you still have responsibilities. Ultimately it's all the Lords. Obviously a lot of the things that we work towards are just going to burn away, but it is weird. It is a weird balance of partnership. And so it's not like for a leader, as soon as you say, Hey, just give up all the control, you know, for a leader.

(20:56): It's like, Oh gosh, I mean, I've got responsibilities here. And yet it is the truth, isn't it. Right. You get to give it up, do what you can do, do what you can do, work. Like what do they say? Work? Like, it depends on you and pray. Like it depends on God type, right? Like work hard, work hard. And I think that's where the balance comes in is that I love my staff loves Fridays. They love Fridays. I love Fridays. I love Saturdays. I love Sundays. And I love Mondays. And so for myself too, I love, I love all my, all the activities that I'm able to do on the weekends or the evenings. I love it. I love it. So I feel like, gosh, I've got to be one of the luckiest guys in the world that I get to do on a daily basis.

(21:42): Things that I love to do, but it wasn't that, you know, going back to the creating, there was a time when I launched the business, that it was all consuming. And and I had a lot of friends telling me, you know, again, a lot of people telling me the truth and I just didn't want to hear it, or I didn't know what to do about it. And so, as you're launching is your, is you launching a business or you're in a season where you just feel like you're drowning, right? It's like, I don't know what to do other than just keep hitting that nail. And you know, then timing when the student's ready, the teacher appears type thing. I ended up at that E-Myth conference. And the reality that I wasn't such a smart guy, wasn't built in systems and processes that were sustainable.

(22:31): And my wife flew out to Portland. And I remember the look on her face as I was repenting to her, I was apologizing and saying, Hey, Kelly, I don't know how I've like allowed this business to become oppressive and sit on top of me. But I, I, I am committing that. I'm going to spend whatever it takes money and time to get this thing off the top of me. And it probably took me as I was mentioning before, probably three to five years, Corey of like diligent work to build the business that I could actually work on it instead of in it. And that was a huge process for me to go through. It was tough, man.

(23:14): Oh, it sounds like outside counsel, someone on the outside to kind of put that mirror up to you, into your business for you to realize it's broken and it's not sustainable the way you're building.

(23:26): Yeah. And to your point, you can be lonely within a crowd, right. You can have a crowd around you and be the loneliest guy in the world. And so I had lots of friends around me, but there weren't, I wasn't listening to a lot of the truths that some of my dear friends were speaking me. And so, you know, fortunately I did have a lot of friends speaking to me, but I really just chose to not listen to them for a while. And so I, I'm not sure. I, you know, as I'm, as I'm speaking about it right now, I'm not actually sure. If there was one defining moment that was like, Hey Jerry, you know, this is it. Or if it was a process to say my gosh, you know, I'm losing my family, right. I'm remarried trying to rebuild a relationship with my wife. I feel like I'm losing my kids. I've got a business that is just oppressive. And so then just getting to work and trying to get things in the right perspective. And it just takes time. It's just, it took seasons and it's still an ongoing process,

(24:32): But you had the humility to hear it. What's interesting is a few months ago, I invested a hefty amount into my own business to hire a coach consultant, to help me to grow and think through. And part of their homework for me was to go and basically ask one of my clients some questions. And one of them was, you know, what's the value I bring to you? And I thought maybe it would be the faith perspective or the different tools and concepts or the, when at home first message or whatever it could bend. And all of them said, their first answer was outside perspective. You have an outside perspective to bounce ideas from because leadership is lonely at the top, you can be lonely in the crowd, like you just said. And then with all of them, I was surprised. I said, well, what about, you know, the faith piece or went on first?

(25:25): And they all said, that's nice, but 85% of it is we want that outside perspective. Everything else is a great additive. And I was, it's so interesting. So it's neat that you had that humility to pursue that. You mentioned something earlier PSP, and I want to give the audience context for it. But I also was planning on talking about this. Anyways, PSP is prayer scripture perspective, and every morning Jerry has organized for a, someone, a leader in Cincinnati to come and speak via zoom, to a bunch of you know, leaders in the audience, if you will. But it started the beginning of the quarantine. For me, it's been a daily rhythm I've been using. I want to hear from you how it started, because that had to be something you heard from God to say, and you decided

(26:17): They go all in. Yeah. Yeah. So it came right. The shelter and home, or came out on a Sunday, I think it was the 22nd of March. And I was on a call with a bunch of you guys, as we were kind of soiling ourselves saying, Oh my gosh, what is about to happen? And a bunch of believers, a bunch of leaders that were on a call and we're like, Oh my gosh. I'm like, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, I've never, how do you prepare for something like this? And so in talking about being on a zoom call with you guys, I said, Hey, we're in a battle, man. This is when we're about to embark in a battle that none of us have been through. What do you guys say? We jump on a call in the morning. I didn't know who it's going to last for three months.

(27:01): And I don't know what the sustainability of it is by the way. But what if we jump on a call this week, every morning from seven 15 to seven 30, and one of us can lead the rest of us in a time of prayer scripture perspective, because we're going to be in a battle like every day is going to be a battle. How can we get ready for today's battle? So the next morning, Monday morning I don't even remember who led the first one, one of you guys, Corey, where you lead the first one, and I'm just ask you to pray for us, give us some scripture, give us your perspective. And so it's been really interesting day after day to hear the different leaders give their perspective on what's going on in the, in the marketplace. And what's fascinating to me, two things.

(27:51): One is the wisdom from the, you know, some guys are, are better speakers than others. Of course. However, if you listen with the intention of learning, you'll get something from everybody. It's, it's it's I love, I love learning from leaders that are in the battle. Like I just love to hear from people that are in the fight and the people that are, that are presenting every morning are guys that are in gals that are in the battle. So it's really interesting to hear perspective from other leaders. The second thing that's really interesting is I've led one of them. And I'll tell you my learning on scripture, in my relationship with the Lord over those two to three days before I lead. And the two to three days after I led was substantial, we all know that we learn the most when we're teaching, right. It's discipleship. And so the idea that, wow, we can actually create a platform for leaders to disciple other leaders. Like I said, I don't know what the longevity is of it. You know, for me, it was just a prompting while I was talking to you guys.

(29:03): Well, I know I've loved it. I haven't hit it every morning. Like you have leading them, but I've hit a lot of them. And it has been neat. And like you said, that

(29:12): Are business owners that are on the call, or are they some form of an officer for the company that workforce. So it is leaders that are in the battle trying to think through. So yeah. Yeah. Well done. Now earlier one of my

(29:25): Podcasts, I talk about how part of my,

(29:27): My story was in fact, handing over my story for a greater story. And it was interesting how many listeners sent me private emails or tax stuff. I liked that. And so for you, Jerry, has there been a time in your life? And it sounds like maybe a few times already, I've heard of a few things that could have been at, but where you're like, I'm going to hand over my small story, that the game I'm trying to play, because I think God's got a bigger story for me. Yeah. Yeah. So there's two, there's one business and there's one in my home. So from the business standpoint, I think transitioning from working in the business to working on the business, and this was key for me is that recognizing that my internal customers are the ones, my staff, like my, you know, so for me, you know, getting out of the front line of the business and building it to the point where I could focus on my staff, my internal customers versus the external customers.

(30:26): So, my staff takes care of outward facing customers. I take care of the internal customers. So that's, that's one piece where I think the Lord really has helped me in business. And then in my home, I think it's the balance of rest. And again, I appreciate what you've said about solitude. They're good reminders that I was brought up in old German family words. Like my mom, my parents were both long gone, but I can remember my mom saying on a Saturday morning, I'm watching cartoons. My mom's saying, you know, if you don't have something to do, I'll give you something to do type thing. And so to learn, to rest, like for a lot of leaders, I've had to learn to like, just that week, the evenings and the weekends, you know, the seventh day, right. It's just rest, right.

(31:19): Again, control freaks. It's difficult to rest because you feel like the whole world. So arrogant for me to say, but you feel like the whole world, like how's the world gonna survive if I'm not working on it. And so I think maybe arrogant, but you're not alone because everyone says that, like I can't do vacation and it's wild. No, those are great ones. What is a, I know you are very intentional about your team, but just for the listeners, what are some intentional things that you have done that they could look to apply to the teams that they lead, you know, starting tomorrow or starting next week. It's really good. And again, going back to your going back to your book, and I think I've told you this a couple months ago that I was going to take our staff through, I'm taking our staff through lots of books, but are the content in the books.

(32:10): But one of the things that I talked about with you a couple months ago was taken our staff through your book. And so one of the things that you mentioned, and there's going through one degree of improvement, like, and so the idea, and again, holistically me leading our team, the idea that I could build a group of men and women that are my employees, but I could build into them that their marriage might get better. That the relationship with the Lord might get better, that I can build that I can be intentional with them, that their finances can get better, that their career opportunities will get better. And so I think that's really, you know, gosh, what a, what a great thing for me to give my life way to. And they, you know, I own the company. They pay me to do it, which is really amazing.

(33:03): That's awesome. Well, I love that. What about for the listener who is thinking right now? That's messy. I am not talking about marriage in my employees. I'm not talking finances. It's going to backfire and blow up my face.

(33:17): Yeah. Yeah. Well, a mutual friend of ours, Chris harden, would say, yeah, if you get there, Jerry, it's going to be really messy. And so you, as a leader, get to choose, like you get to choose what kind of business, what kind of culture you're going to have. And so for myself, I want a culture that is family, you know, it's family oriented. And so, you know, as a leader, I get to choose the culture. I get to choose my family culture, you know, my biological family and my wife. And then I get to choose the culture for our company. And as a leader is a leader. I get to choose that culture. And to your point, is it messy? Yep. Yep. It's very messy. Is it problematic at times? Yep. Problematic. A lot of the times you better believe it is. And yet it's the, you know, you talk about when at home first and then, you know, winning in your business, like, what does that mean?

(34:12): What does a win in your business meet? Like if, if their marriages suck, then are you winning in business? Like if their finances suck, are you winning in business? Like, you know, and again, not to sound overly idealistic, but if what I know about my guys is if they're bringing the best version of themselves to work, right, the job, then our execution is going to be whatever the height is of execution. We're going to achieve that same thing in their home. You know, one of the things that I, that was taught to me years ago is Jerry, wherever you go, you're with you. Right? So when I go home, I take it with me. And so taking the best version of yourself into each of these engagements is quite candid. And as you get older, you know, as I'm saying this more and more frequently as I'll be 54, is what kind of legacy are you going to leave behind?

(35:04): Like, you know, for your great, great grandkids, what are they going to say about grandpa? Are they going to call it? They're actually going to call me Papi, what are they going to say about poppy? What kind of guy was he? You know, they're not going to say, Hey, what kind of office did he have and what kind of car did he drive? And what kind of vacations did he have? And he was a foodie. What kind of restaurants did he eat? They're going to say, Hey, what contribution to other people's lives did he have? And from a legacy standpoint, that's what we want. Right? That's what you and I want. I want to leave something, leave an impact on society. That is better because I was, yeah,

(35:38): It's really good. I talked about those questions. I had asked clients a little bit ago and almost all of them also said a legacy. And I don't think they would have said that had they been in their twenties or, you know, maybe even some of them in their thirties, but it becomes something later in life. When we start to realize that that lays to becomes more important. What is that time span from the time you die until the last time your name is mentioned on earth? Yeah. Like when I heard that was like, Oh my gosh. I mean, that's incredible to think that, you know, is it going to be a year? Is it going to be decades so incredible, you know, pretty incredible on that messy piece. Just to circle back to that real quick is I think you're right. If you do talk about it in the office, finances, marriage

(36:23): Be messy, but Oh boy, what if you don't talk about it?

(36:28): And that employee is not bringing their best self forward because they don't want to talk about their marriage, but it's awful at home or their finances, or maybe they're compromising financial decisions anyways, just

(36:39): Wild, who wants good Corey? And the other thing is, you know, for, for somebody, you know, for me, you know what I, my personal belief is a business isn't Christian or non-Christian of businesses, just a, an entity. And so then you, as the leader get to choose, do you want to, do you want to lead it with your faith or not? And so for myself, probably half my staff are falling for the Lord and the other half of the staff know that I'm following the Lord. And I talk about it openly. So even like the PSP, I invite our staff to participate. Those that are following the Lord and those that aren't. And so it's not required. It's not mandatory, but we have faith conversations with my staff with frequency because that's my true North. So I tell my guys, Hey, you don't have to believe what I believe in for employees.

(37:27): They don't have to, they don't have to follow the Lord to be on our staff, but I think it's important for them to know that I'm trying to call the Lord better as I'm making decisions. So if you wonder how I roll, how I'm making decisions, I'm trying to do it with the, with G I want the Lord to be the CEO of learning glass. And so, you know, it's messy. Yes, that's messy. And, but we talk about it openly. And so I pull some of the guys aside that aren't in a journey with their faith. And I say, Hey, if I ever say, or do anything that is offensive or makes you uncomfortable, please let me know. And so they, the, those guys have said, no, Jerry, you're fine. We understand what you believe and that you respect what we believe. So probably communicating helps it get a little less messy.

(38:19): Well, I can keep going. I've been taking even additional notes, but I also want to be, you know, sensitive just overall time and just even, you know, for the listeners themselves. But this is really good. Incredible to just talk with you to kind of fun questions just to end with is, a, what, what book you read right now?

(38:38): Well, I just finished your book, so it's super nice. It's good. It's a great book. It really, I mean, I'm sorry. Shameless plug. It's really good. It's a, it's got great, great insight in there. I enjoyed that. And then I'm reading mindset. Her name is wick. The wick.

(38:54): Do you enjoy that, that book? I am doing a mindset book as well. That I'm loving

(38:58): And it's yeah, it's tough I'm enjoying it because it's challenging. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

(39:06): That's good. Yeah. I'm on a big mindset push as well and what I'm reading and listening to, to, to really just help that mindset elevate, elevate it. Yeah. And lastly, what are you looking forward to the next 30 days? What are you most excited about?

(39:19): Great question. Well, I'm going to see my granddaughter. Awesome. Yeah. My son and wife delivered a healthy baby girl Welsh. And so she was born a month early, so we're going to the East coast in the first week of August. Yeah. That's I'm really looking forward to that. That's awesome. Seeing her. Yeah.

(39:38): You're doing a lot of neat things as a leader, so thank you very much for what you're doing with that. The PSP every morning, that's citywide conduit. How could my listeners reach out to you to learn just what you're doing and

(39:50): Now to learn from? Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, as we talk about our tribe, you know, we all get better together. Like the more time that we can interact with each other, and it's hard to do it like you and I are doing on a podcast or even on phone calls sometimes, but you know, it is to be a part of a tribe, join a tribe like ours. And some of our tribes overlap, right? The conduit tribe and your tribe and Kirk Hersey's tribe and Mike site Simple's tribe. And anyway, conduit through social media and through Spotify they can check that out. I'm very interested in feedback. So they're consuming some content on conduit. I'm very interested in feedback PSP. They can go again, to Spotify and in search, since, since the PSP, we can send them links. If they're interested in listening, they can text that five five, five, eight, eight, eight five five five eight, eight, eight. And do the conduit. Jesus texts, no space. No, Jesus. I know it sounds weird, but that puts them on the distribution list on a daily basis.

(40:58): That's great. Well, thank you very much for your time today and thanks for all you do.

(41:03): You bet. Likewise, talk that Jerry. Thanks buddy.

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