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In this episode, you’ll discover… 

  • The weird way being dumb makes you a better leader at work and at home (3:57) 
  • Why getting your team to tell you no more often skyrockets your accountability (14:01) 
  • Walt Disney’s “Disney Drawer” method for making sure your team implements your big ideas without overwhelming them (16:48) 
  • How “DAWG Days” frees you and your team from the regular hustle and bustle of work to focus on your relationship with God (and how this helps your company grow) (18:40) 
  • Why the devil wants you to suffer from Imposter Syndrome (and how community liberates you from your negative self-talk) (22:07) 
  • How being called by God into a career you don’t want to do is a blessing in disguise that fulfills you more than any other career path (30:48) 

If you’re in the Cincinnati area, come get a haircut at High Five to see what the experience is all about. You can also follow Sam and High Five on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/highfivesalon/ and learn more about their “Why” on their website here: https://www.highfivesalon.com/

If you’re feeling stuck, are lacking confidence, or you’re inconsistent, I want to help you. I’m launching another round of The Confident & Consistent Leader Program on September 6th to help you grow in the four main areas of your life: You, marriage, parenting, and business. To check out this program before it launches, head over to https://www.corymcarlson.com/leadership/.  

Are you crushing it at work but struggling at home? If you want to learn how to win at home, then go to https://CoryMCarlson.com and download your free copy of “10 Ways To Win At Home.”

If you're looking for a resource to help you with these times when your work is now in your home, check out my book Win At Home First on Amazon. Forbes Magazine rated it one of 7 books everyone on your team should read

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Before we get started today's podcast. I'm excited to share with you that the confident and consistent leader challenge is back. We launched our next group on September six in June, we had 11 leaders go through it and the feedback was fantastic. Brad who's a wealth manager said the challenge was extremely helpful and relevant to not only his business, but as a father and a husband, Steven who's a COO said his wife was sad. That challenge was over because she felt the difference it made in his life. Yes, I know it is only 30 days, but with daily emails and videos sprinkled throughout the 30 days, it is high intentionality. We have accountability through the different live group. Coaching calls. Change is possible, whether you want to grow personally, and that may be getting back to the gym, growing spiritually, growing in your marriage, or it's professionally. You want to identify the vision and values for your company. You want to improve culture, whatever it may be. We will identify those at the beginning of the challenge, and then through a bunch of different exercises and activity, you will in fact see growth on the other side, visit Corey M carlson.com forward slash leadership to learn more as well as register. And we will get started on September 6th. And I'm so excited to see this next group of leaders grow. Thank you very much and on to today's podcast.

Welcome to the win at home first podcast. I'm your host, Cory Carlson. This podcast is where we talk about how successful business leaders win, not only at work, but also at home. On this podcast, we will go behind the scenes with great leaders to hear stories of how they win. Thank you for listening and on to today's episode.

(02:03): Hello, this is Corey today's episode with Sam is filled with inspiration as Wilson tactical tools from the beginning where he talks about the importance of humility and how he has members on his leadership team. Give him a review to talk about the importance of that invitation challenge matrix. I've talked about it before in this podcast, but he is very familiar with and how he uses it to lead his kids. We talked about dog days and that was a new term for me. You will enjoy it as well. Plus maybe you could use it for your company. And then the story of him getting into owning a hair salon. He never thought about hair. He actually was a drummer for top 40 Christian band, but instead God called him. There's something new. It's inspiring. Eye-Opening I think it's caused all of us to want to open our hands more to what God is calling us to. It's a great episode. Hope you are inspired by it as I was on to today's episode.

(03:06): Hello, this is Corey. You're listening to win at home. First podcast. Today is a treat. I am joined by Sam Hills, who I met a few years ago. Very high energy, very contagious, very enjoyable, and has created a business called high five. That is a fast growing hairstylists location. And anyone who ever goes in there always returns and they come back saying is one of their best experiences ever. And so excited to talk with Sam about how he's built his business, but also he's got three kids and he pours into them and he leads with faith in really all areas of his life. So a ton to learn today from Sam. So Sam, thank you very much for being on the podcast,

(03:50): Corey, it is a pleasure and anytime I get to connect with you, man, I'm better for it. So thank you for having me,Sam, what is that key trait that a leader needs to have to win at work and at home,

(04:03): If you would ask me that question, you know, 10 years ago, I would have probably answered it differently. It continues to come back for me to humility. I think the more you can just sort of get out of your own way, empty yourself, just continue to realize man, the realize what you don't know and start from there really changes the cultures that you build and the way that you lead people and the way that you interact with them. So the older I get and the more I do and on paper, the more I accomplish the less, I feel like I know. So it's actually a really freeing thing.

(04:42): How do you lead with humility at home? From the standpoint you have three kids, one's a teenager. How do you lead from a posture of humility when sometimes you know, some of the answers and how you want to lead them?

(04:55): Yeah. I mean, I think the easiest thing to do is react. I know you've got three kids, right? So I think like kids are constantly knowingly and unknowingly shocking you, or they're not sticking to the plan, whether the plan is, Hey, it's time to quiet down. Or the plan is we keep a clean house or the plan is you don't do bodily harm to your siblings. Like kids, oftentimes don't follow protocol. And so it's like, you can either end that moment, choose to react and, you know, just sort of lead with a emotion or harness that and enter into that humble place and be like, okay, what's really going on here. How do I take two steps back from the situation when, when I'm in a good place, that's where I'm, I'm leading from when I'm in an unhealthy place and I'm tired or I'm off my game, they get some reaction from me. So, and it's not always the best.

(05:59): What does humility look like in your marriage for Lisa? And I just like any team, right? Like teams at work teams that we've been a part of maybe grown up, like you really sort of need to realize what the other person's strengths are and celebrate those unique giftings. And I think what oftentimes what the enemy wants us to believe is that their other strengths can oppose yours. Or maybe those are actually, you know, a hurdle or a something that's actually not, not good about them. And so really learning to say like, what makes you unique? What's your unique strength and how does that serve the greater whole of this thing? And so for, I think for Lisa and I, it's just like every time we take time to like deeply understand each other deeply understand like how to communicate well with each other, we end up being better for it. So I yeah, I think right now that seems to be a theme in our home is like, Hey, this is where we're different, but let's not believe the lie that, that makes that that's because that's incompatible or that makes us not, not work. What's actually meaning the fact that like, those are your strengths are my weaknesses. And when we learn to kind of fill in those gaps where we are a better person, like are our oneness is better

(07:15): A concept that you and I are both familiar with is that invitation versus challenge, inviting someone in new relationship, but then challenge them into responsibility. Yeah. What does that look like with your three kids? As far as the tension between invite them in the relationship? When are you hanging out versus when do you challenge them to, to clean the house to get good grades?

(07:39): What I've realized is because of my kids, unique personalities is that each one of them can handle a different level of like you leaning in on them with some challenge. I know that with Emerson, my daughters that creates just this adverse reaction so fast, I don't lead with imitation with her. If I don't set this invitational stage and almost this wooing and pursuing of her, then I know when I need it. I don't have permission at times to ask her to do something or to ask her to be challenged or so with her, I have to be so intentional with that because of, of, you know, what it takes. I think sometimes with the boys, especially my oldest, Elijah, he's a responsible kid. So I lean on him sometimes, well, too heavily for a challenge. It's just like, I know, I know he can step up and handle things, but I know if I'm not careful, he feels overwhelmed by that.

(08:38): Or he feels too much sense of responsibility for his age or his position in our family. And I think sometimes he can crumble underneath the weight of that. So I have to be careful not to challenge him too much. So really it's like looking at each of them and being like, like, what does this need? What is it? How, how is she best gonna respond in that balance of invitation and challenge? I don't know if it's a boy, girl thing, father, son thing, father daughter thing. It's also the same with Lisa though. Like, man, you've never heard a wife say to her husband, I wish you were less inviting. Like I need more challenge. And in our relationship, you've never heard of like, asked for that. So like, you know, if you're going to err on any side, especially when it comes to your marriage,

(09:24): Situational leadership with all three of your kids, marriage and just calibrating back and forth. I mean like Jesus did, it was calm, follow me very invitational. Then it was go and make disciples very invitation and challenge.

(09:40): I think what, what made that work for him is that even in the challenge, he called people to, to what he knew they could handle. He knew them so well. And so deeply that he's like, Hey, I know this feels like a lot, but you are amazing. You can step into these big things. He saw the best of them and kind of called it out even in those challenging moments. And so I think when I, even from when I think as a leaders, whether it's our family or a marriages or at work, when we are challenging our family in that way, I think the best thing we can lead from is to say, I'm going, gonna ask you to do something really hard because I know you're the person for the job. I know if anybody can kill this or crush this, you're going to be that person.

(10:22): And I think when, when you sort of speak that truth of who they are over them, people step into that. And Jesus does that for us all the time. He's like you are a son, you are an heir, you are righteous. You are good because of me. Right. But like, because he knows himself so well. And he knows that we, he is in us is that he knows we, we are capable of all of that. When he calls us to challenge, he knows we can step up to making a hard decision or living a life free of sin or the best that we can or calling us to humble leadership. Like he knows we are up to the task because he's in us. So I just, I think that that's so important to remember with, with leaders is when we're calling people challenge speaking that truth and that affirmation over them is so important.

(11:08): It's casting vision, it's an encouraging them. And then it's being with them in the journey where, as you mentioned, Jesus, I mean the greatest challenge he gives us is the great commission, whereas go and make disciples. That's a big challenge, but I will be with you always. Yeah. And so, as we are calling up our kids, as we were calling up those that work for us, it's casting big vision, but it's also saying I'm here with you

(11:34): As an incredible leader. You would never put somebody in a position that he knew they weren't going to, you know, be up for the task. Right. I don't think he would have called any of those disciples to do those things. If he thought they were going to fail. So I just, I would say if he thought they were going to fail more than they would, when I would say he knew that a, in some, in some senses were inevitable. Right. But like, you're, they're going to get hard nose and denials and persecution. But like at the same time he knew that there was going to be wins too. So I think I have to remember that as a leader, just to, you know, cast vision from that place

(12:10): Have grace for a few failures. I mean, that's 100% not accept failures all day long. We've got to coach from it. Right. Have grace for the failures. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You mentioned humility at home. What does humility look like at work since you are the boss? And it's a great story. The standpoint over 10 years, you went from a core team to now you've got 40 employees. And then when I go get a hair cut in any tire, we've got a haircut. I don't go to your place yet. We've talked about that before, but anytime you go, there there's five people in a salon, but not you you've got 40. And so a rocket launch of a, of a career and everything that's taking place. How have you done it with humility?

(12:57): Yeah. Well it's so funny that you bring that up because I literally, I just got off a call with our salon manager where she was doing a review, an annual review for me. And so you get a review done by one-year employees

(13:11): And by my peers. Yeah. Actually, and instead we do reviews at the salon, but I get three reviews from three different peers because I want, I want more of a holistic view of myself. Three of our three people on our leadership team are going to create this more of this holistic view. So and then what ends up happening is when all three of them are saying the same thing that is a, a spotlight on an area of growth that needs to happen. I want to continue to humble myself and get options for no accountability off the table. Right. I want accountability as a leader, you know, I'm at no loss for vision, right? And so it goes from the sort of this vision, culture strategy, leading place to then we execute on these ideas. But like, I need my team to tell me, no, I need them to, to be able to say that doesn't align with our mission or culture.

(14:09): And so you often see as these teams grow and these leaders, there's no accountability, there's ultimate authority. And so everyone's, they've just surrounded themselves with people that just say yes, all day long. And then they end up in this really sort of like weird place or this place of dysfunction, or like they're way off mission for, you know, what they started with or there's nepotism or there's narcissism that like, that just has been given this place to fester. And I think healthy cultures when there's accountability and feedback from the top down, like it can nip some of that stuff in the bud. So that's, that's what we're interested in is just making sure that all of us, including myself submit to the truth and the growth around feedback affirming and constructive feedback. So

(15:00): What is the one item you've got to work on? There's some similarities in how entrepreneurs are wired, right? Like I am impulsive and I am in the moment. And so when something comes into my head, I need to get it out. I'm really bad at sort of respecting people's boundaries and time when it comes to my ideas. And so the feedback is, Hey, your ideas are awesome. It's actually what makes our team thrive and grow? Right? So she started with an affirmation, but here's what you need to do though, whenever you send them and they're on a text message rather than slack and I'm at home, I don't want to deal with that idea, but it's, it's on my unread messages. And I know that that's sitting there and until I do, so that feels like an inappropriate place to put that idea. Okay. So that's, that's one form of feedback or I'm working through it's it's during the Workday, let's say it's during the Workday and I get it on slack.

(15:52): You've got to have an expectation that if I've got that idea gets forced ranked right to her, and she's thinking I've got nine other things that I'm working through. And that thing is number seven on the list, even though you feel like it's the most important thing to you right now, that goes to my member seven, because those other seven, those other six things before that, like those need to take precedent. So just really understanding that like, Hey, nothing wrong with ideas, nothing wrong sharing those, but like having expectation of whether or not those actually have validity, right. Having a vetting process for that, making sure that you put them in a place that it respects people's boundaries. And also the time, just because it's important to you doesn't mean it's important to the salon or the bigger vision of what we're trying to do or what we're trying to accomplish that day or that week, or that month or that year. Right. So like, it just ha you know, that's, that was really good feedback.

(16:44): Is that a visionary? Sure. Yeah. And you may have heard this story before, but I love the idea of, you know, with Walt Disney or Walt Disney was such a visionary that he would always write, get all these ideas of things, do develop and go build and go create he'd get frustrated. They weren't happening. The team would get frustrated. His brother comes onto the scene, Roy and says, no more. We're doing a Disney drawer. You write down all your ideas, put them in a drawer and we will occasionally review them and say, now not now, delete whatever. Don't stop dreaming. We need you to dream. Yeah. But we can't roll it out. All your ideas. Cause some ideas aren't great. They're not feasible. And, and so I that's, that's it for you, right? You need a Disney drawer.

(17:30): If I'm following protocol and respecting people's boundaries, I'm like doing this, right. It goes in a note on my phone. Right? Well then I come back and read that note like four or five days later. And I was like, that was a dumb idea. You just vetted yourself.

(17:44): You bet yourself, man. You just let that stuff sit in a marinate. It's going to tell you whether or not it to keep getting airtime or not

(17:51): Pulse event. In the moment I run a mastermind here in Cincinnati business leaders. And we talked about something very similar to that today. And it had to be around quiet time. So I'm going to ask you specifically on the quiet time piece, because as we were talking about all leaders, all go type a let's get after it. I got an idea, oh, I want to go tackle it. But quiet time can be hard for all of us because sometimes it doesn't give us that instant gratification. Right? How are you when you are a visionary, go, go, go. You're impulsive in the moment. How do you have the discipline? What do you do for the discipline to do your quiet time, to be diligent in the word, journaling, prayer time, whatever that is for you, how are you disciplined?

(18:41): The ultimate vision comes from the Lord. And so we've actually set aside. It happens on a, of a rhythm of every six weeks that every person on our leadership team, this is a paid Workday, but they get, they get all day. We call it a dog day, D a w G day away with God and you get a dog day. And what that means is that you're not doing any sort of in-office task management to dues, phone calls, meetings. Check-Ins anything like that. But that day has been set aside on your schedule to go and be with the Lord. And so like, it's just a rhythm for our leaders that we do. And they're so good. They're so good. Cause then we'll check in and be like, how's your dog day? Oh my goodness. So good. I got the process, you know, I had three hours hiking in the woods to process this struggle we've got right now or like this core fear or this. And when we're in the Lord's presence, he just sort of quiets the chaos and you know, that idea of ranking, what's the most important things that need time right now. Like he just has a way of just ordering all of that when we submit those ideas to his spirit. So those dog days are awesome. That's a rhythm that we've built into work. They're going to those, that's kind of like a high five staple for our leadership team.

(19:57): Thank you very much for listening to today's episode. I hope you're enjoying it so far before we go back to the rest of this episode. I want to share with you my book when at home first, some of you have read it. So thank you very much for others of you. You have not. And I encourage if you're looking for a resource to help you with these times of your work is now in your home and your home is now in your work and what this looks like. This book is being helpful to many leaders like you whores magazine said it was one of seven books. Everyone on your team should read in the book is broken up into four different sections to help you versus about you. Understand who you are. The second is marriage in ideas and tips to help with your marriage. Third is parenting and the last is work. So these four different sections to help you during this time and to help move forward. So if you are needing additional resource, I encourage you to check out my book went home first. It is available on Amazon, as well as audible and so on to the rest of the episode. Thank you very much.

(21:05): Switching gears, a lot of listeners will give me feedback or I've conversation with because they're, you know, they may be clients and maybe friends or they just write in. Plus my own self is this idea of imposter syndrome, but there are moments that we just it's like, what am I doing? And thinking about this conversation, preparing for this is a question I really wanted to ask you from the standpoint of you are a male and a female dominant role. You were young when you started high five it's one of the most talked about salons in the whole city. And so you had a lot of headwinds there, head trash that you could be having, that you could just throw in the towel, but you kept pushing through. And what were you telling yourself or mentors guides that you had in your life to help you push through that, that any listener who's feels that they're got that imposter syndrome going on, that they are too young or they're, you know, maybe, you know, not the smartest person in the room or whatever it could be. How did you push through?

(22:08): It's pretty clear. We've got an accuser. Like that's one of the sort of ways that the Bible describes the enemy, Satan, the devil, like he wants us to be in our head and questioning the truth of who we are. Like when we're there, he's feeling pretty happy. He's kind of can sit back and kind of rest easy. So yeah, I just think community is massive, right? Like you've got to have people that are seeking the same truth you are, and they have enough of a place in your life that they can then speak that truth over you. And sometimes you're like, yeah, totally agree with that. And sometimes you're like, yeah, I don't agree with that at all. But I'm going to try to believe what you're saying. And so I just think creating a rhythm of having community, especially as business owners, you know, mentors that are like-minded that are walking through this stuff, you know, for me, I always try to find people that are ahead of me that have more time wisdom than I do. And also people that like their true north is the Lord that they're just like, they're deeply rooted in the word and in their faith. In a,

(23:18): I know the devil comes after all of us with individual lies to get us to get distracted. For me, it's always been around scarcity and money and all of a sudden it's going to be gone. What about you? What is the constant battle that you have to wrestle with and how have you overcame it

(23:35): For me? It's that people aren't gonna like me. I'm gonna be too much. I'm not going to be enough. I'm going to not be worth it. Like, they're just going to leave. They're going to walk or they're going to reject me when I'm believing that lie. I will all operate from a place of like, I need to get these people to like me so that they don't leave. But when I've overcoming that truth, I am being loved and received holy by the Lord and then pursuing relationships through that same mindset. Yeah. That's, that's always my struggle, which is tough when you're leading people because people do leave. And some, and sometimes it's not because, because of you, sometimes it's because of them or sometimes it's because of the situation or sometimes it's because of the job. So like learning that, like, I didn't do something wrong here. Like people just leave sometimes and that's okay.

(24:25): I two were from a place of approval a lot and can get in trouble. One thing that's given me peace. I still have my bad days for sure, but not everyone's going to like us. And that sounds so easy on the surface, but the reality is not everyone's going to like us and not everyone. In fact, like Jesus. And when Jesus in Luke 10, we, he sent out the 72, 2 by two, he tells them some people will let you into their house, go in, hang out. But some people won't shake the dust off and move off. Yeah. When I heard that it was gave me just as piece of why do I always try to convince people to like me, if they aren't gonna like me, it's not meant to be Jesus pretty much saying it in a way of go elsewhere where you will be received because you got work to do.

(25:13): Yeah. You've got freedom and knowing that like that's okay, but man, I just, I I'm like Jesus, that's easy for you to say in time. For sure. You don't want, you don't want people to like you, like, I want people to like me, Jesus. And then he's like, ah, I actually do get it. I know what rejection feels like. So

(25:38): Sam part of my story is had this cool God moment. Where's the handover, your small story for a greater story. So Sam for you, where in your life have you basic adamant open-handed and say, all right, God, it's yours take it.

(25:52): I had moved to Cincinnati when I was 18 to go to a small Christian university called Cincinnati Christian university. The plan was to be a youth minister. So I was getting a four year bachelor degree in youth ministry and I loved people and I loved the students and school kind of sucked because it's school and it's hard and it's tedious and stop. That's not where I thrive is in tasks like that. But I was like willing to play the game to get where I needed to go. Right. And I knew that was a part of it. So at the time I was grew up playing music, I was a drummer played in punk rock bands, growing up tons of worship stuff. Cause I was always a church kid. So like I'm the church worship band and stuff like that. Coming to college, I was doing all bunch of worship stuff at school camps, youth group, blah, blah, blah.

(26:44): So what that turned into was I got a gig playing for a guy at a Nashville Tennessee. And he was a top 40 Christian artists used to play with a band called audio adrenaline, same as Riley Armstrong. And I, I got this gig touring with him. So it went from doing this four year bachelor degree to now, like I was on the road pretty much full time. And it really disrupted that four year plan. I got to see the entire country, Canada, Mexico. I was in every mega church across America. Dude. I saw behind the curtain man. I saw how the sausage was made in churches all around the states. And I was like, oh man, these places are, are dysfunctional. This is not sort of like the epitome of, you know, you think like people leading ministries, right? These have to be faithful people that don't sort of deal with the same things that like the rest of the people in the world deals with.

(27:37): And you're like actually no same stuff exists. And maybe even more so because of like how religion can sort of twist things and make things dysfunctional. And so I was like, well, I don't know if I want to do this youth ministry in Spain anymore. So I was playing music at the time, dating Lisa. It was a, we were getting closer and closer and really ultimately I wanted to marry her and start a family. That was, that was always on the bucket list of things I for sure was trying to accomplish with my life. So being on the road was tough. Only time I was making money. It was not when I was touring, some of those guys I played with were on the road to 300 days a year. And so you just, that's in congruent with family life, right. If you're gone and you're away and you've got this whole separate life you're living, it's really challenging now the family.

(28:23): So it came to this point where I started to ask myself this question, like, okay, thought I was going to be a minister because I thought that's what God was calling me to. I don't know if that's it anymore. Then I said yes to this music thing, because you know, it's playing top 40 Christian rock. Right. I was playing with all these bands that again, like, you know, they're saying Jesus in their songs and they're sort of doing this ministry work. But then it also was just like, man, I don't think this is it. And so it was really kind of taking that and handing that over to the Lord and saying, I don't know what I'm supposed to do in here. I'm feeling lost. I'm feeling like a huge lack of direction. What do you got? And when I started doing that, I started to ask people, those mentors, those people who were going to knit me back together and knit me together with the truth of who God said I was.

(29:07): And so I went to Riley, the guy's working for, and he's like, Hey, I've been praying sometimes when I pray, I feel like I get words. And one of the words I've got is hair. What's that mean? And I was like, that's weird, dude. I have no idea what that means. And when he looks laughed. Okay, cool. I don't know. Just something I want to share with you. Awesome. Thanks man. You know, moved on to the next conversation then. I was doing this little summer internship at this youth group in Indianapolis guy named Sean Case. Sean said, Hey, we did like a morning meeting. He's okay. When I hear something weird, I was like, yeah, he goes, I had a dream last night that you were a hairstylist. And I was like, I like immediately remembered Riley being like hair. I was like, huh.

(29:50): And he's like, what? And I was like, I don't know. That's just weird. It's coincidental. So it's just sort of set into a different place in my heart. Right. Like I was like, okay, so then I'm actually a guy. You may know a guy named Ben Nicholson, you know, Ben Nicholson, no bins off of Ben's awesome, man. Just like total holy spirit, just like prayerful. He was mentoring me at the time, kind of in the faith. And he just said, man, you're, you're figuring this stuff out. Let's do it. Let's do a little prayer session on this thing. I think we're at his house where I can't remember anywhere, come to my house. Let's just come my house. We're going to hit this thing, Lord, what is, what are you calling Sam to what's next? We're going to hit that. We're just going to take our time three hours.

(30:32): If we have to, we're just going to lean into this affair. I was like, awesome. Never have done that, but let's do it. So we get going right. And Ben's like always sort of like sharing visions and words and you know, like he's just like a total holy spirit duties of quirk ball. But I love him and he's like, okay, I've got a picture I'm gonna share with you. Okay. So there's this line of people they're lined up kind of in single file off from their sins. And they're all wrapped in these chains. It's all around their bodies, right? It's wrapped around the shoulders, arms and everything down to their legs. And they sort of like count in front of you. And then you have a pair of scissors in your hand, you cut their hair. When you cut their hair, these chains fall off and then they exit stage, right?

(31:11): And then the next person stands and you just are doing this down, this, this line of people. And like the Lord just was like, boom, he just implanted. And he had just started weeping. And I was like, I don't want to be a hairstylist. God, why are you calling me to this? Like, don't confirm this thing in me. And he just continued to like call this thing out and really kind of me submitting to that was the kind of the final act of submitting to that call was being shown up the hair school. And I remember it was me, it's me, 40 girls, that hair school. And I pulled in the parking lot and I just started weeping. I was like, dude, this was not the plan. It's like, this is, this was not the plan, man. What are you doing here? And then I was just like, okay Lord, we trust you.

(32:02): And he's like, I've got you. Like I've got you. And that voice was so much, so much. It's just a little bit louder. It wasn't there. Wasn't this on. Equivocable like finally found my place. Right. I doubted it. And he just sort of continued to woo me into this vision and to end to what he had for me. But knowing what I know about myself now, compared to what I knew about myself, then he knows me so well. He's like, you're going to love your job. You're gonna be really good at it. You're gonna feel satisfied in your work. It's gonna meet your creative, need, your relational need. And you're also going to combine all those things and I'm gonna develop you and grow you as a leader so that you can in turn, create a culture that's actually bigger and better than anything you thought you were going to be doing, looking back.

(32:48): I'm like, duh, like you had it all along, Lord planned. And I just, all I had to do is just say yes. And then when I was doubting myself, go to people who like my wife at the time girlfriend being like, no, this is, yes, this is what you need to be doing. I was like, you want me to be a hairstylist? Like I thought we had a plan. She was like, yes, we need, you need to do this. God is calling you to the state, you know? And like having community of people in your life. That's like seeing the best in you. Even when you don't see it in yourself,

(33:23): Sam, one thing you mentioned, I just want to get a better picture of this visual hair. You cut hair changed fall. That is an incredible visual that you still remember. So it must have meaning today. And what does that look like in your life? Now,

(33:39): The thing that we always say at high five and we deal with people and their identities and their hearts, and we just happen to use as a medium to get access to those things. And so people come into high five and they have an experience and it's rarely about payer and, and, and at the end of the day, that's why they're there. So we need to be really good at our job. We need to be excellent when it comes to our craft and serve people from that place. But when you really kind of, someone really truly feels beautiful and they feel seen and they feel known, it has less to do about the way that you dealt with their hair more than the way you don't their heart and giving them a place of work and a place of confidence and a place of just speaking identity of like their creation over them. That's when you see people really kind of having these impactful moments. So for us, man, I know sometimes it can feel like, you know, for people just a haircut, but it matters like every cut matters.

(34:39): Unbelievable. You alluded to a part two and I think we're going to do a part two because I want to zoom in a little bit more into just how, how you do all that, how you do the culture, how you build in your team, how you build into your customers. And I know many listeners would get information out of there. So,

(34:59): So yeah. Well I'll tell you what, it looks easier for part two. We're actually, you know, we've been doing this in and through high five for 10 years, we've got another brand that we got called hair camp, and that's where we teach other hairstyles and so on others, how to create cultures of change and speaking truth over people and their salons. And so we are actually taking hair camp to the next level this next year and launching seven different initiatives through that brand where we're just going to be teaching people how to learn and believe these things and then walk them out and their place of business. So I'm super pumped about that.

(35:36): That is incredible. And you and I had coffee probably five years ago and you had mentioned hair camp. So this has been a, a vision for yours for a while. So well done to bring it to fruition, David and there's and there's lots of twists and turns, man, wait till you hear like the hair can't COVID story. That's a good one for another day,

(36:00): Man. We have to do that one no sooner over a beer, but Sam, this is awesome. Thanks for what you're doing in the community and the intentionality you have around your craft, around raising your family, but around impacting every person that sits in one of your chairs. So thank you for that. What is the best way for people to get a hold of you?

(36:20): Yeah, I mean, I would say for one, let's get you to the sun and experienced this firsthand, but during the Cincinnati area, come and get a haircut, meet our team. See, see what it's all about. Also you can follow along on Instagram at high-five salon is a great one. Our website's a great reference for our why and what we do, but yeah, we just, we love to connect with people. So we'd love to connect with anyone out there who who wants to know more about our business and what we're doing. Awesome. Sam, thank you so much for your time today. Thank you, Corey. This is a blast. It's honestly a huge pleasure.

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