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If you get diagnosed with OCD, bipolar disorder, or anything else, your first thought is to believe it.

But what if you’re wrong? What if labeling these differences as problems makes them feel insurmountable? And what if you could free yourself from these problems simply by breathing?

Well, good news:

Today’s guest, Tucker, was diagnosed with OCD and on the brink of suicide. But once he stopped thinking of it as a problem, it vanished. And he shares his story in today’s episode, so you can free yourself from whatever problems are making you miserable.

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Show Highlights Include

  • How faith-induced guilt and shame about your past can manifest as OCD later in life (7:23)
  • The insidious way psychiatrists imprison you in your addictions and cause debilitating side effects (even if they have good intentions) (12:32)
  • Why you don’t have a chemical imbalance wrecking your life (even if you’ve been diagnosed with a mental health disorder) (14:33)
  • The weird way looking at your health diagnoses as passwords fast tracks your road to health (17:03)
  • How to skyrocket your patience and tolerance in the next 3 minutes (even if your blood's boiling) (18:38)
  • Why it’s possible to stop being depressed, anxious, and miserable just by breathing (23:36)
  • Why relying on a therapist to uncover your root issues guarantees you won’t overcome them (even if your therapist is right) (28:49)

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It's time to rip the cover off what really works to ditch addiction, depression, anger, anxiety, and all other kinds of human suffering. No, not sobriety. We're talking the F word here. Freedom. We'll share straight from the trenches. What we've learned from leaving our own addictions behind and coaching hundreds of others to do the same. And since it's such a heavy topic, we might as well have a good time while we're at it.

(00:35): And welcome back to the alive and free podcast today. I have, I brought Tucker with me. I told you I would, a couple weeks ago is a guy who, uh, we get to talk about O C D today. Right now we've talked at length, um, for a couple years now, it's been three years just about with this podcast a little over three years. And so we've talked at length about how all of these processes, uh, like addiction, depression, anxiety, you know, um, all of these things are basically biological in nature and that we can use these body based processes to help those out. But there hasn't been a lot of talk. We where we've covered things beyond trauma and stuff, but we're talking about the things that sort of straddle the line between medical problems or chemical imbalances and mental health issues. Right. And these are things that, that are things like O C D and bipolar and schizophrenia and, and whatnot.

(01:29): Right. And so the question then becomes like, okay, cool. The stuff you found is great, Bob, but like, will this help with some of these other tendencies that are going on? So for my own story, I wanna like, just remind you if you don't know that my wife absolutely thought I was bipolar she was a health major in college and she wanted to take me in multiple times. And I think the only thing reason that she didn't was because she was afraid of what my reaction would've been, uh, cuz I don't, I think I would've snapped and I think I would've betted belittled her and made her feel like an idiot. And, and uh, she wasn't really interested in that experience, but I was really manically swinging from really high highs and super exuberance and excitement about life down into these month, two month, three month long funks where I was down low and sometimes very angry and snapping at her and all these things.

(02:19): And so there's a lot of people that we've had that have been diagnosed bipolar or which you were at one point in time. Right, right. That's correct. So, and or are experiencing the, what would be called symptoms of that type of thing. And there have been a lot of our clients who have just had those symptoms, but were never diagnosed and all of those things have found their way out. Um, as a, just a side note, there was a lady who came to one of our, uh, who was struggling with bipolar. And after the retreat, she sent me a note like a few months later and she was like, I just wanted to let you know, I'm no longer needing my bipolar medications and stuff. And I didn't know that she was struggling with bipolar at the time. And it was just something that happened as a byproduct of us showing her the very thing that we're trying to talk about, which is basic processes to help you live. So Tucker's here and he came because of the initial thing, uh, around pornography. But one of the big things he was struggling with were things like anger, OCD, and whatnot. And I want you to hear not just his story, but what, from his own experience on that side of things. So hello.

(03:21): Hi. Um, and um, I want just kind of give, uh, some basic background, uh, about the whole picture of the sort of addictive thing and whatnot. Just, you know, maybe a paragraph ish, you know, length about like what that was about and then focus on what your experience regarding the OC D and the other diagnoses were on the me on the psychiatric side and kind of some of the medications and other things that you had been through that, that, that you were dealing with on that Side. Yeah, for sure. So the pornography side of everything started when I was in the sixth grade. So elementary school being introduced to that for the first time and really quickly now looking back, realizing how, how quickly that became a crutch, kind of my go-to to escape, basically anything that was uncomfortable in life, uh, relationship with my parents, although it felt like that was great, you know, stresses inside of that relationship, uh, issues with siblings, friends, stress of being in junior high and high school, like all of those things coming up and pornography was a really efficient, discreet way for me to just take care of that. Or at least I thought it was. Um, and so that lasted for, you know, several years and then going into high school graduation, I had been in a serious relationship and that relationship was really where most of the mental health garbage, uh, of my life, honestly, at that point, uh, began, um, I woke up one morning, at least that's what it felt like and had completely lost all of the emotional attachment I had to my then girlfriend, I panicked, I couldn't understand why those feelings that had been there were no longer there.

(04:57): And I thought something was broken inside of me. I went from feeling what I thought was this absolute love and commitment inside of this relationship to feeling anger, resentment, and just an absolute fear that internally I had broken something in my brain. And so that was kind of the start of my mental health journey. Uh, I had someone at that time that had referred me to just a general marriage and family therapist and went in and that's when the diagnosis started. So first it was bipolar one, then it was bipolar two. Then it was bipolar with a combination of anxiety and depression. And it was one diagnosis after the other. Eventually I moved on to a psychiatrist was prescribed multiple medications for these different diagnoses that I had received and was going through this internal turmoil as well as all of the side effects and withdrawals from the drugs that I was on. Thankfully at the time there was a change of scenery. I left on a two year mission for my church and that change of scenery getting away from the relationship that I had been in, really separating myself from almost everything that I had come to know was enough to kind of reset.

(06:07): So kinda like a rehab. Yeah, yeah. It was cuz there's a lot of things that I had had access to before going on this mission that I didn't have access to while I was there. And so it was, it was a reset rehab for me and fast forward, a number of years, uh, finished the mission, come home, get married. And my wife got pregnant with our first and that's when pornography crept back in something that I hadn't dealt with for probably three years to that point. And that's when all the mental health stuff started up again, the anxiety, the depression, and for the first time as severe as it was the OCD tendencies as they were described to me. So, so talk, cuz not everybody's experienced sort of EV I think everyone on the planet has experienced at least a moment where they can't get something out of their brain, you know, where they're like, oh, but what about this? What about when I was younger? You know, grades, you know, if I got a bad grade, like I would fixate on it and stuff, but yours went further. Right. And so talk to me about what that, because I had a college roommate who later who later developed real OCD and he talked about how debilitating it was in some ways like he couldn't even go out because he was, he was afraid that the garbage cans would be in the wrong place or there, there were just too many things that he needed to pay attention to. So talk about what that, and where you think that started to come from, was that a, oh your way of trying to control things, did you think it crept out of your way of trying to fix something or just talk a little bit about that?

(07:33): A lot of it was built around the faith that I was raised in, uh, the guilt and the shame that I felt specifically toward the pornography use really amplified inside of my marriage. Not feeling like I was worthy and not feeling like I was good enough to be a father and a husband, that there was something inherently, spiritually, deeply wrong with me. And that, uh, I mean at the time that it was going to be something that I'd have to live with for the rest of my life, something that would likely end my marriage, if not make it really intolerable for both me and my spouse. And that was the initial fear, that guilt and shame that really kicked this up for me. So this is actually something that I'm really excited to dive into because listening, you've probably heard of people that have dealt with OCD or OCD tendencies, Bob, just like you mentioned, but for me, this was something that, you know, I, I heard of it, but had never experienced until this period of my life.

(08:34): And at that point it was not so much feeling like I needed to do anything specifically, but fixation of thoughts, getting stuck on a thought that I was going to do something in my marriage to wreck my marriage, that I was going to say the wrong thing show up in the wrong way, treat my kids the wrong way that that was going to end things and that I was gonna ruin everyone's life around me to the point where I was guarded in what I would say. I was afraid to open my mouth. I felt like I couldn't take responsibility of the kids, our young kids, because I was going to get too angry and upset that I might do something to hurt them. And that in and of itself kept me from really being engaged in any way in my relationship. Um, and when I did, I was often angry and agitated because I was so worried that I might do something wrong.

(09:27): And so this not only showed up in my marriage and in my relationship with my kids, but even when I would go into talk to my church leaders, my ecclesiastic leaders like, oh, did I mention enough? Did I say enough? Did I let them know really how bad or difficult this problem is? Was I clear enough in confessing these things that I've been struggling with? And it really got to a point where my wife and I were sitting down in, in an interview with, with our Eccles leader at the time. And he asked my wife, he's like, what is the biggest challenge for you in your marriage? And for me, the assumption was that it was the pornography use. And my wife at that point told the, the leader, it it's, it wasn't the pornography, it was the anger. And so all these things that I was so terrified would create just this really unsafe space for, for my family and for my marriage was the thing that was created, the biggest source of tension in my marriage at the time.

(10:21): And so debilitating enough to the point where when I would start to think about something and fixate on that thing, I could go days. I could go weeks thinking about it and I would get free for a little bit and fill a sense of relief and then go immediately back into that space. And you imagine if you've got something negative running in the back of your mind on repeat day in and day out, I was a pain to be around and it just got worse and worse to the point where I felt like the only way out was to end my life, Which you can look at his story, the video, he talked online on our website, you can watch coach Tucker's story. And he talks about how McDonald saved his life do, do, do, do do or whatever, but contemplating kind of ending it there. And, uh, and what, what came out of that? What, what were some of the help, you know, so out there at the time, I mean, you you're dealing with pornography. Sure. There was a lot of things out there that people were, were trying to offer for help, but because you had this massive sort of cluster of all kinds of mental health diagnoses that you were doing, what was the kind of help being offered? Did it feel like it helped? And what were the, what were the side effects of that?

(11:36): So, I mean, everything kind of just got lumped into one big thing. Like you're dealing with pornography because you're angry, you're angry because of the pornography kind of like this cyclical, like the one thing leads to the other and leads back to the thing before it. And that at the time felt really common for not just my situation, but for other people that I knew were going through similar things. And so for me, it was like, well then how do I break out of this? How do I stop being angry? How do I stop looking at pornography? How do I stop going to these places? And for me, it was all very much around this idea of control. I can't control how my kids act. I can't control the way my spouse acts or behaved. And if I try to do that, it just makes things worse.

(12:13): And then I feel more out of control. And so for me, it was just this cluster of like all of these situations and circumstances outside of my control. What's the point of even trying, because nothing's ever going to go the way that I wanted to. And so around probably the birth of our second child, I was working with again, a traditional marriage and family therapist. And she referred me out to both a psychologist and a psychiatrist for the pornography. The psychologist told me to just try video games instead that didn't feel like a, a really good alternative and left me feeling pretty frustrated. Marriage and family therapist wanted to focus on the anger and control issues. And the psychiatrist was just like, let's just diagnose you with as many things as we can sarcasm here. Definitely. But that's what it felt like. And after we've diagnosed you with all of these things, let's just prescribe you a bunch of different medications.

(13:07): And that came with its own host of really debilitating side effects and consequences. I had brain tremors literally felt like someone sticking their hands inside of my head and pulsating my brain. Um, I had weight gain, uh, lost my appetite or had too much appetite, but lost my sex drive like whole host of all these issues that were supposedly supposed to be beneficial because it was gonna take care of all the mental health crap that was going on. But in fact, just exacerbated everything that was was happening. And so, uh, I finally took a step back, got off the medication and at the time was working with the marriage and family therapist and she just said, well, we gotta look at something different because for pornography specifically, she said that there wasn't anyone in, in our area that knew how to help me with that.

(13:54): And as much as she wanted to help me with the anger and control issues, there was something more here that we hadn't figured out. And I didn't know who was going to help me figure it out. And that's about the time that I found Bob. So there was a lot of suggested help. There was a lot of ideas about things that could potentially help in my mind. Now it was all just one big guessing game. And I felt like, you know, my life was the life that was being gambled with. And it was just kind of a, you know, throwing darts in the dark and, and hoping that one of them would eventually stick. And unfortunately they didn't, or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, because it was about that time that I found you Bob and your program process. And finally, for the first of my life, it actually was listening to someone that had actually dealt with what I was dealing with. So that was my first glimpse of potential hope and possibility to take a very different route and approach to what I thought was this chemical imbalance or internal state that was wreaking havoc on my life.

(14:57): If you or someone, you know, is looking to drop the FBO of freedom in their life, whether that's from past trauma, depression, anxiety, addiction, or any other host of emotional and personal struggles, but they just don't know how or want some help doing it, head on over to the freedom specialist.com/feel better now and check out some of the things we've got in store for you, or book a call. So we can look at your unique situation and get you the help that you're looking for. So what I wanna do is like roll back the cover for everybody listening. Everybody that's operating in a medical field, in a mental health field. I don't know a single one of 'em that isn't doing it because they want to help people, right? And they have the education they've been given. They have the skill sets they've acquired. Um, they've been able to help some people in whatever level degree they have. So there is no bagging on their desire or their intention, but if you are educated in an environment that doesn't actually really glimpse what's happening at the core, then it doesn't matter if you had a great education or are a good person. You've still been given the wrong tools for the job, right? So if I want you to drill a hole, but all I give you is a screwdriver that is gonna be a long day and a nasty looking hole.

(16:14): If you manage to make one, no, we gotta have the right tools for the job. So I wanna like pull back the cover here for a second when we're dealing with diagnoses in general. Um, and I know there will be a lot of people that might not like this, but the diagnoses don't exist. They are labels. They are little bits of words that we sta we stick onto a set of symptoms. And those words get renegotiated every few years in the DSM and more labels come up and more and more labels have shown up over the years. They just barely like they got rid of the word addiction, the term addiction in the DSM four it's back in the DSM five. So, you know, for a few years you couldn't actually be diagnosed with an addiction and now you can, again, um, and even though there was substance abuse disorder and stuff, there were other labels for it.

(16:58): So these are sort of internal shorthand for people's experiences. And if you just for a second, recognize that none of them exist, that you don't have any of them, even if you've been diagnosed and they've hand you a label that you don't have any of 'em, they are like passwords. Basically, if they give you this password, then you get to have these meds or this type of treatment, or this type of privilege or right. Or something like that. That's basically what they are. And, but they, they're not real, not a single one of them is real. What is real is your experience. So we were to look at Tucker's experience. What was real is he had some thoughts that he couldn't shake and he felt angry. And occasionally he went to pornography to help out, to get rid of those. That's pretty much it. Yeah.

(17:47): That's a lot easier to deal with folks than a host of diagnoses. And I, I, again, I am not faulting these people for anything. I am, I don't know, stupid enough to challenge everything that people tell me and stubborn enough to like chase it down until I really see what's going on. And so that's where I started with Tucker was like, let's look at what's happening. What are the thoughts? What, okay, you're angry, let's talk, let's show you how to shift that. And, and so that was some of the first things that we did. So the first week we really focused on stabilizing your emotional state. Right. So talk about that. Yeah. So even now talking about it with, with clients past and present, it always still is, is pretty amazing to me to look at that initial week of work that I did specifically around the breath work that I was introduced to. Um, I mean, prior to working with you, I had experimented with some meditation and seen some pretty awesome results with that. My patients and tolerance levels just seemed to skyrocket even in a short amount of time. Um, but then again, things kind of snapped and I went back to pornography. And so I was at this point where the OCD that I was experiencing was at it at its worst. This was the time that I was really contemplating suicide dealing with suicidal ideation. And so first week started doing three minutes of what we call cured, the breath switch. Um, some pretty intensive can be intensive. Breathwork

(19:14): Yeah. That's three minutes people. Yeah. So I'm only having him do three minutes a day. So you get this, like, this is not some you have to be, he could do three minutes, twice a day. If he wanted, there's no limit on how many times he did it, but this is not okay. Now you need to like, stop your life, quit everything which you were thinking about at, at a rehab, right? Yeah. Yeah. But this is like three minutes is what I started with. Okay. So this is not like rocket science. It's just like, just start somewhere. Right. So we started with three Minutes, right? So we started three minutes into the nose, out through the mouth, wherever variation, you know, we wanted to do at the time, but that was what I was focused on. I just had my three minutes of breathing every day, put the kids to bed and uh, go out to the living room or small little house and, and do some loud breathing. And at first I started to notice just the physical sensations, uh, through my body. And then coming out of that, just the, the sense of peace feeling, serene, a sense of calm and quiet. And that was the first indication to me that something was different. Something was actually happening was that the chatter inside of my head was finally starting to minimize. And I have all this background noise, this constant garbage, just filling my head, making me feel like I needed to, you know, end my life.

(20:33): And so I stuck with it. And within that first week, the OCD thinking specifically, uh, was gone and not just like kind of gone, but still creeping in like gone, gone. Like I could think about the things that I had been thinking about previously, and they were no longer an issue. And I'm talking about things that I had done in my past that, oh my gosh, something's gonna happen. Someone's gonna find out that I did this thing that I, that I behaved in this way, that I said, these things someone's gonna find out and I'm gonna be screwed. Or my wife's gonna learn that this is how I was in high school and she's not gonna wanna be with me anymore. Or, you know, any of these things that are so fixated on from these stupid, minor little mistakes that I had made in my past to blowing those so far out of, uh, proportion to now I can think about whatever I want to think about.

(21:29): And it's no longer eating at me. It's no longer keeping me up at night. It's no longer the first thing that I think about, or the second thing I think about when I wake up in the morning and all of this from some breath work and the whole concept of chemical or hormonal imbalance really came into perspective for me at that point, it felt like there legitimately had been something completely out of whack internally that there had been some chemical or hormone that I had been neglecting, ignoring. I wasn't getting enough oxygen into my system. And so spending three minutes a day over the course of the week, all of a sudden had shifted something enough to that N noticeably and notably, I could tell that the thoughts that had created literal hell in my life had driven me to the suicidal ideation were no longer an issue.

(22:15): Yeah. So this is profound, right? So we talk about chemical imbalances. That's a pretty big word. Again, it straddles a line. Is it a mental health issue? Is it a medical issue, which is why psychiatry does what they do, right? They can descri their prescribing drugs because there is a chemical component to emotion. That's how emotion is expressed in your body. On top of all the other breathing and posture and, you know, gestures. If you're flipping somebody off, that's an emotional thing. That's not right. That, that also is part of it. And so, um, but the notion is like, drugs are an attempt to help you rebalance your chemistry from the outside. We stick more chemistry in to create some chemical reactions that hopefully puts you back the other way. Um, they're always substitutes the chemistry that your body makes is always better for you than any chemistry that you're gonna put in on the outside.

(23:06): So they're the best substitutes that the industry has made. Uh, I'm not talking about conspiracy theories and that people are out to try and mess people up. I, you know, I don't think that that's the case. You know, maybe there are some drugs out there that are misguided, but I think by and large, there are all attempts to try and help things, which is why they measure it in placebo studies and double blind stuff. I mean, the people that do this stuff are not stupid, right. And, but still they're trying to manage a chemistry from the outside just by sticking chemicals in. And yet there's no sense of why the internal chemistry is off what we're doing with breathing. And there's a, there's various different forms of breathing that, that I teach, right. Each one does something a little bit different if you're dealing with anxiety, it's one way, depression's another way.

(23:46): And they're not, they're not difficult. They're not hard, but they affect the nervous system differently. Breathing is one of the fastest ways to change your chemistry, uh, thought is probably the fastest, but your thoughts are not very reliable. And so it'll change back really quickly too. And so breathing is one of the FA it's faster than food. Most of the time. I mean, unless you're taking drugs and stuff, even those have to go through the system in a certain way, but breathing can change your, your chemistry within three minutes or less, uh, often less, right. It starts to change. And so the breast stuff that we did is we're teaching people. Yes. Maybe you do have a chemical imbalance. Maybe there's something in your system that produces chemistry in a different way than other people. That's probably true of every part of the human species. We're all variations on a theme. The, the, the question is that, is that good or bad? The question is cool. Can you learn how to manage that on the inside so that you can be healthy and happy and whole, so that's what we started with first. Then we went to, alright, cool. Now that we're stable, let's look at the core issue. Let's look at what really all this stuff is rooted in. Do you remember what that was?

(24:50): The root issue? Yeah. Yeah. Uh, that was really a really poignant experience for me and something. I, I don't think I'd easily forget just because the emotional response, when I finally hit on the specific words around the root issue, we're so powerful for me. And, and it specifically the belief that I was worthless and never going to Mount anything that after going through kind of some uncovering, discovering work to really look at what was at the center of my behaviors, my emotional responses, basically everything in my life that I had felt like was outside of my control. Uh, now kind of felt like it was being controlled by this little nagging voice in the back of my mind that basically put a lens over everything I did in the light of you're worthless. You're never gonna Mount anything. So once we found that, uh, you took another day to kinda like mull it over or whatnot, but what was the experience like to, you know, all those years, you have all these people telling you, like, no, it's this problem. And that's from this, and this is from that. And so you have this massive nebulous, vague cloud of, I don't know, there's something going on to kind of like pinpoint, oh, this, this is, this is really at the heart of what, what I'm dealing with. What was that experience like?

(26:06): I think just going from any that initial conversation that we had had gone through a process that you'd laid out that had helped me kind of uncover that, but it was the verbiage. It was the words that we had come up with that I then took and sat with for a day. And it was the opportunity to use my own language, uh, worthless, never going to amount to anything that was the language that resonated internally is like once I said that it was like a light bulb had gone on and I was able to look at my life from very early on, in childhood, up to adulthood, to the experiences and situations that I had had in, in my marriage and with my kids, that I was able to look at how I had acted or behaved or responded or reacted in certain ways that I really understood that so much of how I had lived my life was in, in the light of believing that I was worthless and never going to Mount anything.

(27:04): And it showed up in two ways with certain people. I tried to prove that the opposite was true. I am of worth, I am going to Mount to something. And so it was like, I've gotta put on a show that I put on this huge show for people so that they can't actually see that behind this or underneath all this. There's just this worthless individual that is garbage. Um, and then with other people, it was just kind of like hiding, hiding in the shadows. I'm not gonna put myself out there. I'm not gonna apply myself, uh, academically, professionally in relationships. I'm not really gonna put a whole lot of effort into this because why would I do that if, if it's not gonna pan out, uh, if I'm not worth anything, if I'm not gonna amount to anything, then, then why try. And so that's really how it showed up in those two ways.

(27:46): So finally hitting that language, the light bulb coming on, it allowed me for the first time and probably my entire life to start looking at situations and reacting and responding differently. And it also gave me the opportunity to look back at my life and look at situations where the opposite was true, where I did feel like I wasn't worth where I did feel like I was amounting to something. And although that wasn't enough in and of itself to immediately stop the, the behaviors, the pornography and those types of things, it was enough to help me realize how I could look at life differently. So that those situations that were felt like were driving me to those behaviors were happening less and less frequently. And I was starting to see more and more that there were in fact, some things in life that I did have control over.

(28:31): So that was within a couple weeks. Yep. Yeah. I think that was probably within the, the first month. So a weekend of doing the breath work a couple weeks of doing process work, continuing to breathe, um, and then learning a few different things. And then I went through the process of uncovering that root issue. And this is what's fascinating to me is that in my mind was the point of therapy. This is like, that's why I'm gonna go talk to a therapist. That's why I'm gonna go talk to a psychologist or psychiatrist, not to hear that I've got mommy or daddy issues, not to hear that. Oh, because I saw my mom naked in the shower when I was five, which by the way, never happened. You know, that that was something that was creating this now big issue in my life, making me question the validity of my life, you know, 20, 15, 20 years down the road, that's what I thought I was gonna get in therapy.

(29:15): I thought I was gonna go entering a look at what's driving all of this. And that never happened for me now. It's not that way for everyone, but by and large for myself and for a lot of the people that I've had the opportunity to work with, like, oh yeah, I've done rude issue work. I've kind of uncovered what's there. But there was something specifically in the way that we approached it, that it came from me. It was my own voice. It was, it was me saying it. And when I said it, the way that I said it, the words, words that I used, that was the biggest difference. And that really was like, oh, this is what I've been looking for for so long. Once that realization was there, things really started to roll. It started to get a lot easier. I started noticing things and paying attention and realizing like, oh, there are things that I can actually do. And, and life doesn't have to be this, this miserable thing that I have to endure for the rest of my life.

(30:03): Yeah. So there's the difference between diagnosis and discovery, right? A diagnosis is something that's imposed on you from the outside, it's put in clinical language or jargon terms, or even if it's a coach or somebody else when they say, oh, it's this, oh, it's that the discovery on the inside is really the moment where change starts to happen. Right. Um, the, the scripture that I really resonated with when I was first starting was you'll know the truth and the truth will set you free. And there's all kinds of quote, unquote truths relative to each person. But like I wanted to know like deep down what the truth was about life. Sure. But also like, well, how am I stuck to know the truth about why you're stuck? That's good too. I mean, that's so powerful. So as we wrap up to date, uh, next week, we're gonna go in, we're gonna talk deeper about stages of freedom and what it looks like is you continue walking down that road because a lot of times people are looking for, you know, like the magic pill and poof pixie dust, you know?

(30:59): Um, but, uh, what I wanna wrap up today with, because this discussion has really been around these sort of like quasi mental, quasi medical stuff. And as you know, if you've been listening, like I've helped people with chronic pain and autoimmune issues on one side and postural things. And then on the other side, we're dealing with addiction and then we're dealing with depression, anxiety, and the OCD and bipolar, and they're all interrelated. And, and the thing that I want you to like really position to yourself is whether you're dealing with it or someone else in your life. What if it's not true, consider the possibility that you don't have O C D that you don't have bipolar, that you don't have schizophrenia. And yes, I've worked with some people with some schizophrenic tendencies too, right? Consider the possibility that you don't have those things, that those are just labeled.

(31:48): And they miss what's really going on. What was really going on is an experience in life that you want to have differently. And that is so much easier to change than a diagnosis with a bunch of medical backing and all those other things. And I'm not against medicine, if an intervention needs to happen because it'll help slow things down and get you on, on track then. Great. I'm not against that at all. Uh, because sometimes it's helpful, but I really want you to focus on what's really at the bottom of it. None of the things that we diagnose are really the truth about what's going on, what's going on is simply that there's a human being. Who's having an experience that they're not enjoying. They wouldn't be looking for help if they were enjoying their experience, but they're not. And then they want to feel different.

(32:30): And that comes down to chemistry on the inside. It comes down to posture. It comes down to movement and it comes down to thoughts. And what you believe about yourself in the world. Those are so easy to change. They're just neurons firing that are used to firing a certain way. And if you can train 'em to fire that way you can train 'em to fire another way. If you, you already learned one trick, which means you're capable of learning another one. And so I want you to go this week and consider, maybe you don't have these big things going on in your life, but I want you to consider all the things that you think are problems. What if you're wrong? What if labeling them as problems is the very thing that makes them feel insurmountable? And what if you just look at what's there, could you possibly make a change instead of in 18? What was it? 18 years for you? 18 years. Yeah. Instead of 18 years. Two weeks. Not because, well, we did it faster. No, because we dealt with what was there. We weren't chasing a Phantom stop chasing Phantoms in your life. Just deal with what's there. And that's it for today's alive and free podcast. If you enjoyed this show and want some more freedom bombs landing in your earbuds, subscribe right now at wherever you get your podcast from. And while you're at it, give us a rating and a review. It'll help us keep delivering great stuff to you. Plus, it's just nice to be nice.

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